Topic: Best look at the upcoming G70 so far.

[rrocket]

You just seem to be just fine with the IS350 only coming in auto so I guess I am confused why you expect the V6 Genesis to be equipped with a manual?   

I am fine with an auto only IS350.  Because there is no other choice.  As you say...it is what it is.  Now if the IS came with a 2.0T in manual "Sport", my argument would be the same.  Sports cars enthusiasts would rather the V6 with a manual. And I'd still want the IS350 because the engine is so much better than whatever 2.0T 4 pot they'd be offering.  Like in your G-cars....you'd have to have a pretty f-ing spectacular, unicorn 4 banger to make me want one over a VQ V6....manual or otherwise.  I don't want a manual just for the sake of manual if I'm not into the rest of the package, particularly the engine.  Sure, I can shift my own gears.  But a 4 pot engine sounds like crap, makes less power, maybe more lag, etc 

Same with the Q60.  Would I want a manual 2.0T Q60 just for the sake of a manual in that car?  HELL NO!  I would much rather a Red Sport in auto...because I think the overall package...despite no manual...is better and higher performing.

The G70 Sport is marketed as the enthusiasts choice.  And as an enthusiast, I'm disappointed the manual doesn't come with the V6. THAT would have been a special car.  With a 4 pot?  Not so much.  Sure, they should be commended for offering a manual.  And if you're happy with that fine.  But for me, if they were only going to offer a single car with a manual, I'd much, much rather it had been the V6.

 I have no interest in the 4 banger..manual or otherwise.

[ChaosphereIX]

 

[Gurgie]

Manual should be offered with both engines... pretty simple... it's not... hence the b*tching... rightfully so!

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[quadzilla]

What ads are marketing this as an enthusiasts car?

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[ChaosphereIX]

What ads are marketing this as an enthusiasts car?

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"Sport"  trim with manual transmission, RWD, Brembos, LSD, 19s with summer rubber - who the hell else is it targeted at?

only thing missing: the "sport" engine

[rrocket]

What ads are marketing this as an enthusiasts car?

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I read an article with a Hyundai person who was saying this....why they chose the features and content and the RWD platform.  For enthusiasts.

And I'd also say calling the car being "Sport" is hinting who it's for.

[CanuckS2K]

Manual should be offered with both engines... pretty simple... it's not... hence the b*tching... rightfully so!

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But why is the bi!tching rightfully so when virtually NO ONE else is offering it either?  It's like me brewing a beer that hardly anyone likes drinking, but I should brew it anyways......just because.

[quadzilla]

But why can't an enthusiast want a 4 cyl manual RWD car? You guys are just upset they didn't build it they way you wanted it. Not everybody wants a 6 cyl car and not everybody thinks a sporty enthusiast's car needs a 6 cyl.

[Barton]

You just seem to be just fine with the IS350 only coming in auto so I guess I am confused why you expect the V6 Genesis to be equipped with a manual?   

I am fine with an auto only IS350.  Because there is no other choice.  As you say...it is what it is.  Now if the IS came with a 2.0T in manual "Sport", my argument would be the same.  Sports cars enthusiasts would rather the V6 with a manual. And I'd still want the IS350 because the engine is so much better than whatever 2.0T 4 pot they'd be offering.  Like in your G-cars....you'd have to have a pretty f-ing spectacular, unicorn 4 banger to make me want one over a VQ V6....manual or otherwise.  I don't want a manual just for the sake of manual if I'm not into the rest of the package, particularly the engine.  Sure, I can shift my own gears.  But a 4 pot engine sounds like crap, makes less power, maybe more lag, etc 

Same with the Q60.  Would I want a manual 2.0T Q60 just for the sake of a manual in that car?  HELL NO!  I would much rather a Red Sport in auto...because I think the overall package...despite no manual...is better and higher performing.

The G70 Sport is marketed as the enthusiasts choice.  And as an enthusiast, I'm disappointed the manual doesn't come with the V6. THAT would have been a special car.  With a 4 pot?  Not so much.  Sure, they should be commended for offering a manual.  And if you're happy with that fine.  But for me, if they were only going to offer a single car with a manual, I'd much, much rather it had been the V6.

 I have no interest in the 4 banger..manual or otherwise.

I get your points, but again I ask: would you spend your $60K on a Genesis brand or would you rather get a BMW?

The business case doesn't make sense for a $60K stick-shift Genesis.  It makes sense at $45K, though.

[Gurgie]

Manual should be offered with both engines... pretty simple... it's not... hence the b*tching... rightfully so!

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But why is the bi!tching rightfully so when virtually NO ONE else is offering it either?  It's like me brewing a beer that hardly anyone likes drinking, but I should brew it anyways......just because.

340i still is, right? Just because NO ONE else is offering a manual doesn't make it right... wanna make a splash & impact in the market, offer the manual.

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[rrocket]

Manual should be offered with both engines... pretty simple... it's not... hence the b*tching... rightfully so!

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But why is the bi!tching rightfully so when virtually NO ONE else is offering it either?  It's like me brewing a beer that hardly anyone likes drinking, but I should brew it anyways......just because.

So you'd brew a beer that virtually no one else offers and use inferior ingredients.....just for the sake of offering this beer no one else makes?

[OliverD]

Manual should be offered with both engines... pretty simple... it's not... hence the b*tching... rightfully so!

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But why is the bi!tching rightfully so when virtually NO ONE else is offering it either?  It's like me brewing a beer that hardly anyone likes drinking, but I should brew it anyways......just because.

340i still is, right? Just because NO ONE else is offering a manual doesn't make it right... wanna make a splash & impact in the market, offer the manual.

2018 may be the last year for the 340i manual, unfortunately.

[quadzilla]

Ok lets be honest here.

IF there was a manual 6 cyl version for sale right now and they ONLY packaged it as a top of the line SPORT trim. Who would be buying one right now? Not next year, not when it comes off lease, not when you find a used one, not when the sun angle is at 43 degrees. Right now.

I doubt there would be 5 people in all of Canada.

[ChaosphereIX]

But why can't an enthusiast want a 4 cyl manual RWD car? You guys are just upset they didn't build it they way you wanted it. Not everybody wants a 6 cyl car and not everybody thinks a sporty enthusiast's car needs a 6 cyl.

why settle for the lesser engine? The one that sounds terrible in comparison, has less torque, less power...

It is like saying: "Yes, I want the turbo4 Camaro instead of the V8, even though I have the choice between the two." Or "I can afford a 911, but I want a Boxter"

Now if the turbo4 had really compelling reasons to pick it over the turbo6, other than marginal weight savings...then yeah I can see the argument.

oh and quad: I am sure many would consider getting it, just like how the Kia Stinger is flying out of the showrooms. What if it was a diamond in the rough, a real competitor to the BMWs, ATS, Giulia....WHAT IF. Make a good product, package it well, price it well, and people will buy it.

[rrocket]

I doubt there would be 5 people in all of Canada.

I bet there would be more than 5.

But how many you think will buy the 4 banger manual? 

[CanuckS2K]

Manual should be offered with both engines... pretty simple... it's not... hence the b*tching... rightfully so!

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But why is the bi!tching rightfully so when virtually NO ONE else is offering it either?  It's like me brewing a beer that hardly anyone likes drinking, but I should brew it anyways......just because.

340i still is, right? Just because NO ONE else is offering a manual doesn't make it right... wanna make a splash & impact in the market, offer the manual.

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Why, so they can sell a whole 100 of them in Canada? 

[quadzilla]

But why can't an enthusiast want a 4 cyl manual RWD car? You guys are just upset they didn't build it they way you wanted it. Not everybody wants a 6 cyl car and not everybody thinks a sporty enthusiast's car needs a 6 cyl.

why settle for the lesser engine? The one that sounds terrible in comparison, has less torque, less power...

It is like saying: "Yes, I want the turbo4 Camaro instead of the V8, even though I have the choice between the two." Or "I can afford a 911, but I want a Boxter"

Now if the turbo4 had really compelling reasons to pick it over the turbo6, other than marginal weight savings...then yeah I can see the argument.

And that is your opinon which I respect but it isn't everybodys. Why can't people understand this. Some people are more than happy with a 4 cyl.

But how many you think will buy the 4 banger manual? 

I honestly don't know. But I'm not butt hurt about them only making a 4 cyl manual.

[ChaosphereIX]

I doubt there would be 5 people in all of Canada.

I bet there would be more than 5.

But how many you think will buy the 4 banger manual?

exactly: for such a nice vehicle, why make it substandard, or "that'll do"? Why not possibly make something great, instead they made something lukewarm.

[rrocket]

I honestly don't know. But I'm not butt hurt about them only making a 4 cyl manual.

I don't think anyone is butt hurt.

Just a disappointing oversight is all.

[quadzilla]

exactly: for such a nice vehicle, why make it substandard, or "that'll do"? Why not possibly make something great, instead they made something lukewarm.

SUBSTANDARD? WTF? Now you are just being ridiculous.