Topic: First Drive: 2017 Nissan Qashqai

[OliverD]

It's interesting that cars in most segments have become progressively more powerful over the years. Some may have stagnated now but generally speaking cars have a ton of power now relative to 15-20 years ago. And at the same time, fuel economy has improved greatly.

Yet this doesn't seem to be the case with subcompact CUVs for whatever reason.

[Noto]

In day to day driving, I accelerate at the same rate whether I was driving the 148hp Crossy, the 256hp Outback or the current 170hp Passat, just like the rest of the traffic around me.

Hey, I provided evidence of what I was saying and you didn't agree with me?!?!  Look at the Forester (2.5L) vs Crosstrek (2.0L) fuel economy numbers!!

[Sir Osis of Liver]

In day to day driving, I accelerate at the same rate whether I was driving the 148hp Crossy, the 256hp Outback or the current 170hp Passat, just like the rest of the traffic around me.

Hey, I provided evidence of what I was saying and you didn't agree with me?!?!  Look at the Forester (2.5L) vs Crosstrek (2.0L) fuel economy numbers!!

I'm pretty sure that Subaru would put in a different engine if they thought there was a business case. Maybe there are manufacturing constraints or regulatory issues that enter the fray that we aren't aware of.

I found the 2.0L engine to be nicer than the 2.5L as far as NVH, and the difference in horsepower didn't feel as large as the numbers suggest.

[Noto]

In day to day driving, I accelerate at the same rate whether I was driving the 148hp Crossy, the 256hp Outback or the current 170hp Passat, just like the rest of the traffic around me.

Hey, I provided evidence of what I was saying and you didn't agree with me?!?!  Look at the Forester (2.5L) vs Crosstrek (2.0L) fuel economy numbers!!

I'm pretty sure that Subaru would put in a different engine if they thought there was a business case. Maybe there are manufacturing constraints or regulatory issues that enter the fray that we aren't aware of.

I found the 2.0L engine to be nicer than the 2.5L as far as NVH, and the difference in horsepower didn't feel as large as the numbers suggest.

The numbers aren't "large" to begin with, but with little to no fuel economy penalty for the extra power, I would think it a worthwhile investment.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

In day to day driving, I accelerate at the same rate whether I was driving the 148hp Crossy, the 256hp Outback or the current 170hp Passat, just like the rest of the traffic around me.

Hey, I provided evidence of what I was saying and you didn't agree with me?!?!  Look at the Forester (2.5L) vs Crosstrek (2.0L) fuel economy numbers!!

I'm pretty sure that Subaru would put in a different engine if they thought there was a business case. Maybe there are manufacturing constraints or regulatory issues that enter the fray that we aren't aware of.

I found the 2.0L engine to be nicer than the 2.5L as far as NVH, and the difference in horsepower didn't feel as large as the numbers suggest.

The numbers aren't "large" to begin with, but with little to no fuel economy penalty for the extra power, I would think it a worthwhile investment.

If they don't have the production capacity for additional 2.5L engines, or if they have an over supply of 2.0L engines but need an engine that size for tax purposes in specific markets, the business case can fall apart pretty rapidly.

And if current buyers aren't complaining about horsepower there's nothing to fix.

[Noto]

If they don't have the production capacity for additional 2.5L engines, or if they have an over supply of 2.0L engines but need an engine that size for tax purposes in specific markets, the business case can fall apart pretty rapidly.

I'm thinking this is the case.

[dkaz]

CAFE?

[dirtyjeffer]

keep in mind CAFE regulations too...while trading off 5 mpg for more power might not matter to you (or me), shaving 5 mpg off a vehicle they might sell 300,000 units of makes a pretty big difference in their CAFE numbers as a whole.

[dirtyjeffer]

CAFE?

lol...you only beat me to it because my response was long winded. 

[Noto]

keep in mind CAFE regulations too...while trading off 5 mpg for more power might not matter to you (or me), shaving 5 mpg off a vehicle they might sell 300,000 units of makes a pretty big difference in their CAFE numbers as a whole.

Look at the government ratings for the cars...it's not 5 mpg.  If it's even 1, I'd be surprised.

[dirtyjeffer]

keep in mind CAFE regulations too...while trading off 5 mpg for more power might not matter to you (or me), shaving 5 mpg off a vehicle they might sell 300,000 units of makes a pretty big difference in their CAFE numbers as a whole.

Look at the government ratings for the cars...it's not 5 mpg.  If it's even 1, I'd be surprised.

i know, i'm just saying in general...it seems most vehicles under 200 hp get panned in here.

as i've said before, most of us in here are not the "general buying public"...manufacturers don't make vehicles for "us", they make them for the actual people buying them, and they aren't asking for 200hp Crosstreks, as much as i'd like to see an XT.

[ChaosphereIX]

keep in mind CAFE regulations too...while trading off 5 mpg for more power might not matter to you (or me), shaving 5 mpg off a vehicle they might sell 300,000 units of makes a pretty big difference in their CAFE numbers as a whole.

Look at the government ratings for the cars...it's not 5 mpg.  If it's even 1, I'd be surprised.

i know, i'm just saying in general...it seems most vehicles under 200 hp get panned in here.

as i've said before, most of us in here are not the "general buying public"...manufacturers don't make vehicles for "us", they make them for the actual people buying them, and they aren't asking for 200hp Crosstreks, as much as i'd like to see an XT.

they get panned because it really is not enough power for the cars they are shoved into

in a small econo-box or tiny CUV, yeah sure a NA 4-pot is fine. Hell my Mirage has 100hp, and it is adequate for the small car that weighs under 2000lbs. The Crosstrek weighs over 1100lbs more with not much more power and a power-sapping AWD system.

[rrocket]

"One Qashqai trait that Nissan may not broadly tout is the fuel economy of the manual transmission model. While CVT-equipped Qashqais (in Rogue Sport guise) made TTAC headlines for consuming more fuel than the larger, more powerful Rogue, the front-wheel-drive Qashqai with the six-speed manual is even thirstier, at 10.0L/100km in the city and 8.1 on the highway."

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/05/nissan-rogue-sport-truly-cheap-qashqai-canada-six-speed-thirst/

[ChaosphereIX]

Not. Enough. Power.

That engine must be working so hard to move around that bulk...

[EV-Light]

"One Qashqai trait that Nissan may not broadly tout is the fuel economy of the manual transmission model. While CVT-equipped Qashqais (in Rogue Sport guise) made TTAC headlines for consuming more fuel than the larger, more powerful Rogue, the front-wheel-drive Qashqai with the six-speed manual is even thirstier, at 10.0L/100km in the city and 8.1 on the highway."

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/05/nissan-rogue-sport-truly-cheap-qashqai-canada-six-speed-thirst/

So the Nissan Quiche is underpowered but also thirsty. Win win for the customers huh?

[Mike]

keep in mind CAFE regulations too...while trading off 5 mpg for more power might not matter to you (or me), shaving 5 mpg off a vehicle they might sell 300,000 units of makes a pretty big difference in their CAFE numbers as a whole.

Look at the government ratings for the cars...it's not 5 mpg.  If it's even 1, I'd be surprised.

i know, i'm just saying in general...it seems most vehicles under 200 hp get panned in here.

as i've said before, most of us in here are not the "general buying public"...manufacturers don't make vehicles for "us", they make them for the actual people buying them, and they aren't asking for 200hp Crosstreks, as much as i'd like to see an XT.

Hell my Mirage has 100hp, and it is adequate for the small car that weighs under 2000lbs. The Crosstrek weighs over 1100lbs more with not much more power and a power-sapping AWD system.

Mirage has 78 hp and weighs 2,018 in its lightest form. So 25.8 lbs per horsepower
Crosstrek has 148 hp and weighs 3,102 in its lightest form. So 20.9 lbs per horsepower

[Noto]

Mike, shouldn't you be agreeing that the Qashqai is a POS??  I know the SirO force is strong with you, but you're supposed to be more Subaru slappy than the rest of us

[ChaosphereIX]

keep in mind CAFE regulations too...while trading off 5 mpg for more power might not matter to you (or me), shaving 5 mpg off a vehicle they might sell 300,000 units of makes a pretty big difference in their CAFE numbers as a whole.

Look at the government ratings for the cars...it's not 5 mpg.  If it's even 1, I'd be surprised.

i know, i'm just saying in general...it seems most vehicles under 200 hp get panned in here.

as i've said before, most of us in here are not the "general buying public"...manufacturers don't make vehicles for "us", they make them for the actual people buying them, and they aren't asking for 200hp Crosstreks, as much as i'd like to see an XT.

Hell my Mirage has 100hp, and it is adequate for the small car that weighs under 2000lbs. The Crosstrek weighs over 1100lbs more with not much more power and a power-sapping AWD system.

Mirage has 78 hp and weighs 2,018 in its lightest form. So 25.8 lbs per horsepower
Crosstrek has 148 hp and weighs 3,102 in its lightest form. So 20.9 lbs per horsepower

My 2000 Mirage has a 1.5L with 100hp and weighs 2083lbs. So 20.83 lbs per hp.

[dirtyjeffer]

keep in mind CAFE regulations too...while trading off 5 mpg for more power might not matter to you (or me), shaving 5 mpg off a vehicle they might sell 300,000 units of makes a pretty big difference in their CAFE numbers as a whole.

Look at the government ratings for the cars...it's not 5 mpg.  If it's even 1, I'd be surprised.

i know, i'm just saying in general...it seems most vehicles under 200 hp get panned in here.

as i've said before, most of us in here are not the "general buying public"...manufacturers don't make vehicles for "us", they make them for the actual people buying them, and they aren't asking for 200hp Crosstreks, as much as i'd like to see an XT.

Hell my Mirage has 100hp, and it is adequate for the small car that weighs under 2000lbs. The Crosstrek weighs over 1100lbs more with not much more power and a power-sapping AWD system.

Mirage has 78 hp and weighs 2,018 in its lightest form. So 25.8 lbs per horsepower
Crosstrek has 148 hp and weighs 3,102 in its lightest form. So 20.9 lbs per horsepower

My 2000 Mirage has a 1.5L with 100hp and weighs 2083lbs. So 20.83 lbs per hp.

my Rio5 weighs 2633 lbs and has 138 hp...19 lbs per hp...it's a pocket rocket. 

[sacrat]

It's a sensible looki vehicle, and I think it looks quite good. No silly angles everywhere. But a 2.0? I have no interest in looking at it then. This isn't Europe!

In Europe you'd get a 1.4 diesel or something...