Topic: The Motorcycling Thread

[Jaeger]

This on other hand looks like a win to me:

First Drive: Our Favorite New Honda Costs Less Than an Apple iPhone

The Motocompacto doesn't give you a chance to wonder if you look silly riding it because it's just that fun to ride. If the Motocompacto doesn't put a grin on your face after the first few moments then we'd recommend checking your pulse.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/honda-motocompacto-specs-first-ride-review/

Gotta say, I'd love to give that a try!

[rrocket]

This on other hand looks like a win to me:

First Drive: Our Favorite New Honda Costs Less Than an Apple iPhone

The Motocompacto doesn't give you a chance to wonder if you look silly riding it because it's just that fun to ride. If the Motocompacto doesn't put a grin on your face after the first few moments then we'd recommend checking your pulse.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/honda-motocompacto-specs-first-ride-review/

I posted about this the day it was announced...And I'm on the wait list!

[JohnnyMac]

What are people's thoughts on this new offering from Kawasaki?

https://www.kawasaki.eu/en/Motorcycles/EV_HEV/Ninja_7_Hybrid.html#productspecifications-78c4964e4d-item-15d93c6761-tab

So basically it's a low displacement sports bike with some hybrid technology.  They claim that the acceleration would rival a 1,000cc bike's due to the low end power that the electric motor generates.  The issue as I see it is the extra weight due to the added tech, so a 400cc Ninja is about 134 pounds lighter, that's not insignificant.

Why not just buy the 1000cc bike?

I would think that insurance would be lower, obviously gas would be less, and of course to virtue signal.

[JohnnyMac]

This on other hand looks like a win to me:

First Drive: Our Favorite New Honda Costs Less Than an Apple iPhone

The Motocompacto doesn't give you a chance to wonder if you look silly riding it because it's just that fun to ride. If the Motocompacto doesn't put a grin on your face after the first few moments then we'd recommend checking your pulse.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/honda-motocompacto-specs-first-ride-review/

I posted about this the day it was announced...And I'm on the wait list!

Considering the price and cool factor, I can see quite a few people choosing this over a stand up e-scooter.

[Jaeger]

What are people's thoughts on this new offering from Kawasaki?

https://www.kawasaki.eu/en/Motorcycles/EV_HEV/Ninja_7_Hybrid.html#productspecifications-78c4964e4d-item-15d93c6761-tab

So basically it's a low displacement sports bike with some hybrid technology.  They claim that the acceleration would rival a 1,000cc bike's due to the low end power that the electric motor generates.  The issue as I see it is the extra weight due to the added tech, so a 400cc Ninja is about 134 pounds lighter, that's not insignificant.

Why not just buy the 1000cc bike?

I would think that insurance would be lower, obviously gas would be less, and of course to virtue signal.

Not sure about insurance being lower, with equivalent power.  Yes to gas, but that's a "who cares" element for most riders I know.  And lol, yeah, I suppose. 

[JohnnyMac]

What are people's thoughts on this new offering from Kawasaki?

https://www.kawasaki.eu/en/Motorcycles/EV_HEV/Ninja_7_Hybrid.html#productspecifications-78c4964e4d-item-15d93c6761-tab

So basically it's a low displacement sports bike with some hybrid technology.  They claim that the acceleration would rival a 1,000cc bike's due to the low end power that the electric motor generates.  The issue as I see it is the extra weight due to the added tech, so a 400cc Ninja is about 134 pounds lighter, that's not insignificant.

Why not just buy the 1000cc bike?

I would think that insurance would be lower, obviously gas would be less, and of course to virtue signal.

Not sure about insurance being lower, with equivalent power.  Yes to gas, but that's a "who cares" element for most riders I know.  And lol, yeah, I suppose. 

Is the displacement of the engine one of the main things that determines insurance premiums?  In which case I would assume this 450cc motorcycle would have significantly cheaper premium when compared to a 1,000cc sport bike.

[Jaeger]

What are people's thoughts on this new offering from Kawasaki?

https://www.kawasaki.eu/en/Motorcycles/EV_HEV/Ninja_7_Hybrid.html#productspecifications-78c4964e4d-item-15d93c6761-tab

So basically it's a low displacement sports bike with some hybrid technology.  They claim that the acceleration would rival a 1,000cc bike's due to the low end power that the electric motor generates.  The issue as I see it is the extra weight due to the added tech, so a 400cc Ninja is about 134 pounds lighter, that's not insignificant.

Why not just buy the 1000cc bike?

I would think that insurance would be lower, obviously gas would be less, and of course to virtue signal.

Not sure about insurance being lower, with equivalent power.  Yes to gas, but that's a "who cares" element for most riders I know.  And lol, yeah, I suppose. 

Is the displacement of the engine one of the main things that determines insurance premiums?  In which case I would assume this 450cc motorcycle would have significantly cheaper premium when compared to a 1,000cc sport bike.

Yes, but that matters because larger displacement generally equates with more power.  Insurance companies aren't dumb.  If it's making the same power by different means, it engages the same risk factors.  Asssuming we are talking about the same category of bike with these engines. 1000cc sport bike and 1000cc cruiser attract very different rates.

[ktm525]

This on other hand looks like a win to me:

First Drive: Our Favorite New Honda Costs Less Than an Apple iPhone

The Motocompacto doesn't give you a chance to wonder if you look silly riding it because it's just that fun to ride. If the Motocompacto doesn't put a grin on your face after the first few moments then we'd recommend checking your pulse.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/honda-motocompacto-specs-first-ride-review/

I posted about this the day it was announced...And I'm on the wait list!

Considering the price and cool factor, I can see quite a few people choosing this over a stand up e-scooter.

What advantages does it have over a standing scooter? Are people that lazy? Perhaps they are.

[rrocket]

This on other hand looks like a win to me:

First Drive: Our Favorite New Honda Costs Less Than an Apple iPhone

The Motocompacto doesn't give you a chance to wonder if you look silly riding it because it's just that fun to ride. If the Motocompacto doesn't put a grin on your face after the first few moments then we'd recommend checking your pulse.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/honda-motocompacto-specs-first-ride-review/

I posted about this the day it was announced...And I'm on the wait list!

Considering the price and cool factor, I can see quite a few people choosing this over a stand up e-scooter.

What advantages does it have over a standing scooter? Are people that lazy? Perhaps they are.

My e-scooter feels sketchy a bit. I think it's definitely not for everyone.

This seems safer and more approachable.

I just think it's techno cool!! I want one!

[JohnnyMac]

What are people's thoughts on this new offering from Kawasaki?

https://www.kawasaki.eu/en/Motorcycles/EV_HEV/Ninja_7_Hybrid.html#productspecifications-78c4964e4d-item-15d93c6761-tab

So basically it's a low displacement sports bike with some hybrid technology.  They claim that the acceleration would rival a 1,000cc bike's due to the low end power that the electric motor generates.  The issue as I see it is the extra weight due to the added tech, so a 400cc Ninja is about 134 pounds lighter, that's not insignificant.

Why not just buy the 1000cc bike?

I would think that insurance would be lower, obviously gas would be less, and of course to virtue signal.

Not sure about insurance being lower, with equivalent power.  Yes to gas, but that's a "who cares" element for most riders I know.  And lol, yeah, I suppose. 

Is the displacement of the engine one of the main things that determines insurance premiums?  In which case I would assume this 450cc motorcycle would have significantly cheaper premium when compared to a 1,000cc sport bike.

Yes, but that matters because larger displacement generally equates with more power.  Insurance companies aren't dumb.  If it's making the same power by different means, it engages the same risk factors.  Asssuming we are talking about the same category of bike with these engines. 1000cc sport bike and 1000cc cruiser attract very different rates.

I think you assume a bit too much from the Insurance company.  My Golf R was cheaper to insure than a GTI or a regular fully loaded Golf.  Plus the HP wouldn't be the same as a 1000cc, it's only 12hp more than a regular 450cc bike, so if you were looking at real Hp numbers it would be closer to 600cc level.  The reason it accelerates like a 1000cc bike from a stop is because that 12hp is instant and you don't have to get up over 10,000rpm to get full beans. 

[PJungnitsch]

What are people's thoughts on this new offering from Kawasaki?

https://www.kawasaki.eu/en/Motorcycles/EV_HEV/Ninja_7_Hybrid.html#productspecifications-78c4964e4d-item-15d93c6761-tab

So basically it's a low displacement sports bike with some hybrid technology.  They claim that the acceleration would rival a 1,000cc bike's due to the low end power that the electric motor generates.  The issue as I see it is the extra weight due to the added tech, so a 400cc Ninja is about 134 pounds lighter, that's not insignificant.

Why not just buy the 1000cc bike?

I would think that insurance would be lower, obviously gas would be less, and of course to virtue signal.

Not sure about insurance being lower, with equivalent power.  Yes to gas, but that's a "who cares" element for most riders I know.  And lol, yeah, I suppose. 

Is the displacement of the engine one of the main things that determines insurance premiums?  In which case I would assume this 450cc motorcycle would have significantly cheaper premium when compared to a 1,000cc sport bike.

Yes, but that matters because larger displacement generally equates with more power.  Insurance companies aren't dumb.  If it's making the same power by different means, it engages the same risk factors.  Asssuming we are talking about the same category of bike with these engines. 1000cc sport bike and 1000cc cruiser attract very different rates.

I think you assume a bit too much from the Insurance company.  My Golf R was cheaper to insure than a GTI or a regular fully loaded Golf.  Plus the HP wouldn't be the same as a 1000cc, it's only 12hp more than a regular 450cc bike, so if you were looking at real Hp numbers it would be closer to 600cc level.  The reason it accelerates like a 1000cc bike from a stop is because that 12hp is instant and you don't have to get up over 10,000rpm to get full beans.

Good point. They might not care if it accelerates faster from a stop, more about about the top speeds the megabikes have

If so that would be huge in some jurisdictions where 1000cc bikes are basically unaffordable to insure

[Jaeger]

What are people's thoughts on this new offering from Kawasaki?

https://www.kawasaki.eu/en/Motorcycles/EV_HEV/Ninja_7_Hybrid.html#productspecifications-78c4964e4d-item-15d93c6761-tab

So basically it's a low displacement sports bike with some hybrid technology.  They claim that the acceleration would rival a 1,000cc bike's due to the low end power that the electric motor generates.  The issue as I see it is the extra weight due to the added tech, so a 400cc Ninja is about 134 pounds lighter, that's not insignificant.

Why not just buy the 1000cc bike?

I would think that insurance would be lower, obviously gas would be less, and of course to virtue signal.

Not sure about insurance being lower, with equivalent power.  Yes to gas, but that's a "who cares" element for most riders I know.  And lol, yeah, I suppose. 

Is the displacement of the engine one of the main things that determines insurance premiums?  In which case I would assume this 450cc motorcycle would have significantly cheaper premium when compared to a 1,000cc sport bike.

Yes, but that matters because larger displacement generally equates with more power.  Insurance companies aren't dumb.  If it's making the same power by different means, it engages the same risk factors.  Asssuming we are talking about the same category of bike with these engines. 1000cc sport bike and 1000cc cruiser attract very different rates.

I think you assume a bit too much from the Insurance company.  My Golf R was cheaper to insure than a GTI or a regular fully loaded Golf.  Plus the HP wouldn't be the same as a 1000cc, it's only 12hp more than a regular 450cc bike, so if you were looking at real Hp numbers it would be closer to 600cc level.  The reason it accelerates like a 1000cc bike from a stop is because that 12hp is instant and you don't have to get up over 10,000rpm to get full beans.

Ah - I thought they were making comparable power.

[WP v3.32]

I asked the question way back when I bought the BMW (1150cc)  the lady on the phone told  it's a combination of things.   the BMW was very cheap compared to other bikes the same size, I think it was around half the amount.
she said it was roughly this calculation
-the total mileage driven of the bike model  VS amount of claim ratio (very low on BMW touring vs very high on crotch rocket)

[Jaeger]

I asked the question way back when I bought the BMW (1150cc)  the lady on the phone told  it's a combination of things.   the BMW was very cheap compared to other bikes the same size, I think it was around half the amount.
she said it was roughly this calculation
-the total mileage driven of the bike model  VS amount of claim ratio (very low on BMW touring vs very high on crotch rocket)

Yup - which is why the type of bike matters most.  A 600cc supersport will attract a WAY higher premium than an 1800cc bagger.

[Jaeger]

Any riding season that extends into November is a total win in my books.

[Bubba]

Any riding season that extends into November is a total win in my books.

What's the temp?

I still love that exhaust header.

[Jaeger]

Any riding season that extends into November is a total win in my books.

What's the temp?

I still love that exhaust header.

Thanks man. It was 10 degrees at its warmest today, but overcast and wet from earlier rain.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Not sure if I should put this here or in the cycling thread, but I'll put it here. 

Love this.  Why are bicycles as expensive as motorcycles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS9ugdl1FZc

[bridgecity]

Still can't watch the Fortnine host.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Still can't watch the Fortnine host.

The D.O.D. guy is really good though, and luckily, he's kinda the most important part of the video, as it's him explaining why bikes cost so much.