Topic: 2017 Elantra Sport ~ 200hp and 6 sp. manual.

[Rupert]

   I'm not into comparing all single aspects with other vehicles...I'm looking at the total package and what I see is a very desirable vehicle indeed. Not over the top in any aspect and in a suitable colour could well be a valued item for many. A little practical in-expensive sleeper.

   Elegant.

[OliverD]

I'd be surprised if the Si is that cheap. A Civic Sport hatchback is $25k.

[CanuckS2K]

Interesting comparison with the Civic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9gzsSgVejA

I found it both interesting and surprising. Almost a "roll reversal" to pre-determined thinking, eg: Elantra has better steering, more sporty suspension, more conservative styling, Civic is quiet and has better ride. And isn't the Civic turbo available with a manual, if not right now, soon?

I'm even thinking these two models aren't that comparable, and with the Civic si coming out, will the price be lots higher than the Elantra (I would expect so). And will Honda break with tradition and offer an optional non-cvt automatic in an si.

Stupid comparison.  The Elantra Sport will compete directly with the Civic SI.

Why stupid - because you said so?  In this test the Elantra Sport was already less costly than the loaded regular Civic - by $2,500.   You think buyers at that price point will feel obliged to ignore it because you say it can only be measured against the SI?

Yes, it's stupid because I said so.

Price is irrelevant here as the Hyundai will always be cheaper (because it is..uh...cheaper).

Disagree entirely!  When car shopping, I do not know any car buyers that consider price irrelevant.   I'd put money on this car stealing some sales from non SI Civic buyers. 

[rrocket]

We will agree on one thing, you will need some serious $$ to pay for the difference between an Elantra Sport and a Civic SI. Big money. And if Honda doesn't fix their inferior steering and improve its non sporty suspension on the 1.5 turbo Civic (see above noted review), then the SI will start out behind in the comparison.

The Civic SI will start behind in price. But will be ahead in sportiness, shifter, interior etc.

And if you're buying an SI...It's safe to assume those items are important for you if you're looking for a hot pocket rocket.

However, if you're interested in nothing more than bang for the buck, the Elantra will always win.

[Ex-airbalancer]

Price does not matter with this car in most cases,
it is $ per month that moves the metal

[CanuckS2K]

Interesting comparison with the Civic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9gzsSgVejA

I found it both interesting and surprising. Almost a "roll reversal" to pre-determined thinking, eg: Elantra has better steering, more sporty suspension, more conservative styling, Civic is quiet and has better ride. And isn't the Civic turbo available with a manual, if not right now, soon?

I'm even thinking these two models aren't that comparable, and with the Civic si coming out, will the price be lots higher than the Elantra (I would expect so). And will Honda break with tradition and offer an optional non-cvt automatic in an si.

Stupid comparison.  The Elantra Sport will compete directly with the Civic SI.

Why stupid - because you said so?  In this test the Elantra Sport was already less costly than the loaded regular Civic - by $2,500.   You think buyers at that price point will feel obliged to ignore it because you say it can only be measured against the SI?

Yes, it's stupid because I said so.

Price is irrelevant here as the Hyundai will always be cheaper (because it is..uh...cheaper).

Disagree entirely!  When car shopping, I do not know any car buyers that consider price irrelevant.   I'd put money on this car stealing some sales from non SI Civic buyers.

How would the car steal sales from NON SI Civic buyers?  If a buyer is not an SI buyer how does he / she get swayed from buying one?  Ergo, double WTF?

Because as Jaegar pointed out, in this test the Elantra Sport is $2500 cheaper than a loaded regular Civic.  So given that, yeah I can certainly see it stealing some sales from regular Civic buyers let alone SI buyers. 

[dougjp]

But Cadure thinks a comparably equipped Civic SI will be $ 500- cheaper than a regular loaded Civic, said so above! Because its " expected to". Must be then, oracle of all knowledge. Or shall we wait and see instead, or is there no point in doing that as we are all ergo double WTFs.

[Layne]

We will agree on one thing, you will need some serious $$ to pay for the difference between an Elantra Sport and a Civic SI. Big money. And if Honda doesn't fix their inferior steering and improve its non sporty suspension on the 1.5 turbo Civic (see above noted review), then the SI will start out behind in the comparison.

"Big Money" ??  I guess we would have different definitions of that.

[dougjp]

But Cadure thinks a comparably equipped Civic SI will be $ 500- cheaper than a regular loaded Civic, said so above! Because its " expected to". Must be then, oracle of all knowledge. Or shall we wait and see instead, or is there no point in doing that as we are all ergo double WTFs.

Well there looks to be a $1900 difference, not $2500, and that is with the Civic being a CVT.  The SI Sedan was priced right on top of the EX 4DR CVT Touring so I should be close.

But once again, as you are patiently ignoring, the Civic SI will come with more performance options of which the Hyundai will not so you won't be getting something for nothing...LSD, optional adaptive suspension, big brake kit....

Why so obtuse?

You repeatedly quote pricing yet I can't find pricing for an SI. I can't see if it does have a mechanical diff which I agree would be great. More important, I can't verify that you are comparing comparably equipped vehicles with your pricing. Saying pricing enough times without Canadian pricing being available doesn't make it so. With all that, when you use terms like stupid comparison and ergo double WTF, it comes across confrontational, like spamming a thread. Does that explain the reactions?

I hope Honda can bring a mechanical diff and similiar options and features to compare against this car at the price points you are talking about. That would be a compelling alternative for sure. I just think the difference will be much greater, and yes Layne, enough difference to be called big money. We will see.

[Jaeger]

Interesting comparison with the Civic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9gzsSgVejA

I found it both interesting and surprising. Almost a "roll reversal" to pre-determined thinking, eg: Elantra has better steering, more sporty suspension, more conservative styling, Civic is quiet and has better ride. And isn't the Civic turbo available with a manual, if not right now, soon?

I'm even thinking these two models aren't that comparable, and with the Civic si coming out, will the price be lots higher than the Elantra (I would expect so). And will Honda break with tradition and offer an optional non-cvt automatic in an si.

Stupid comparison.  The Elantra Sport will compete directly with the Civic SI.

Why stupid - because you said so?  In this test the Elantra Sport was already less costly than the loaded regular Civic - by $2,500.   You think buyers at that price point will feel obliged to ignore it because you say it can only be measured against the SI?

Yes, it's stupid because I said so.

Price is irrelevant here as the Hyundai will always be cheaper (because it is..uh...cheaper).

Disagree entirely!  When car shopping, I do not know any car buyers that consider price irrelevant.   I'd put money on this car stealing some sales from non SI Civic buyers.

"Price is irrelevant" - man, that made me lol SO hard,! 

[Jaeger]

But Cadure thinks a comparably equipped Civic SI will be $ 500- cheaper than a regular loaded Civic, said so above! Because its " expected to". Must be then, oracle of all knowledge. Or shall we wait and see instead, or is there no point in doing that as we are all ergo double WTFs.

Yup. Would be so awesome if the SI turns out to be cheaper than the regular turbo Civic. Spectacularly unlikely, but totally awesome.

[CanuckS2K]

Interesting comparison with the Civic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9gzsSgVejA

I found it both interesting and surprising. Almost a "roll reversal" to pre-determined thinking, eg: Elantra has better steering, more sporty suspension, more conservative styling, Civic is quiet and has better ride. And isn't the Civic turbo available with a manual, if not right now, soon?

I'm even thinking these two models aren't that comparable, and with the Civic si coming out, will the price be lots higher than the Elantra (I would expect so). And will Honda break with tradition and offer an optional non-cvt automatic in an si.

Stupid comparison.  The Elantra Sport will compete directly with the Civic SI.

Why stupid - because you said so?  In this test the Elantra Sport was already less costly than the loaded regular Civic - by $2,500.   You think buyers at that price point will feel obliged to ignore it because you say it can only be measured against the SI?

Yes, it's stupid because I said so.

Price is irrelevant here as the Hyundai will always be cheaper (because it is..uh...cheaper).

Disagree entirely!  When car shopping, I do not know any car buyers that consider price irrelevant.   I'd put money on this car stealing some sales from non SI Civic buyers.

"Price is irrelevant" - man, that made me lol SO hard,! 

Totally wish my bank account thought that prices were irrelevant.........I might have a new Aston in my driveway next week.   

[ArticSteve]

Import duty from UK .... 6% ?

[Solstice2006]

In 18 months, it will be interesting to see what the 24 month lease rates will be?  The Hyundai ones are often tempting, sometimes the Chevy ones as well.  An Elantra GT under $200 tax in a month, $0 down was pretty appealing.  Just to drive something different...

[Jaeger]

In 18 months, it will be interesting to see what the 24 month lease rates will be?  The Hyundai ones are often tempting, sometimes the Chevy ones as well.  An Elantra GT under $200 tax in a month, $0 down was pretty appealing.  Just to drive something different...

It would be a punchy and practical ride, I expect.  Plus you get to stick with a manual.

[dougjp]

I see some of the standard (non TECH) versions are now at various dealerships, yet I still haven't seen any full road tests by any source. I'm keen to see full test drives and check out a TECH DCT version when it comes available.

The Kia GT is longer/bigger than what I'm willing to look at, and likely it uses the same platform as the future G70. Therefore the odds are high that the G70 is not something I should wait for, as I have been doing. It is likely to be in a different size bracket than the other cars I've been looking at; BMW 2 series (174.7" long), 3 series (182.5"), S3 (175.9"), A4 (186.1").

I test drove a BMW 240i X-Drive and its awesome, a dream. Fantastic visibility everywhere, strong motor perfectly matched with the tranny, both comfortable and great handling at the same time (it had 18's all around, not the staggered 19" F/R wheel/tires), perfect size for me. Slightly inconvenient getting in and out - its low and the B pillar vs. door gap seems to be "a bit off", even with the seat pushed back. I would live with it but not sure if my wife would... But reality is, it will take over $ 51k cash plus my car to get it, with a huge chunk of that being made up of PDI, Admin, GST 

"Reality" in the form of what I need and want vs. what I lust after brings me back to the Elantra Sport's value for money. All in, its about $ 10k less than a GTi with fairly similar options (partially courtesy of the extra GST on a more expensive car, VW's added Admin/Frt/PDI). And it has a good sized trunk to fully hide luggage as only a sedan can (not counting the Audi S3 or ATS which don't), plus things I want like a spare tire & jack, sunroof, wheels no larger than 18" and no smaller aspect ratio than 40 (unlike Golf R).



 

[ArticSteve]

And it has a good sized trunk to fully hide luggage as only a sedan can

Huge consideration for me although you need a vehicle that can deactivate the interior trunk opener.

[rrocket]

Most hatchbacks come with a cargo cover to hide luggage, etc.

That doesn't prevent theft.....IMO.

[ArticSteve]

Most hatchbacks come with a cargo cover to hide luggage, etc.

That doesn't prevent theft.....IMO.

You can exclude the "IMO".  Cargo cover is useless.  With a trunk that has a lock out feature, one may still get there window smashed in, which of course should be punishable by death, but they don't get away with your computer, booze  , cash and rifle/shotgun if you're so disposed.  I took a Saab 900 across Canada to BC on a trip and it bothered me every time we stopped at some remote place to take a hike, etc. and that includes downtown Brandon   

My Mustang doesn't have a lockout feature.  Really annoying and quite stupid .... FORD!

[ArticSteve]

Although I guess if you really want to see what is in the trunk you can always break a window and pop it.

You're not understanding.  Some vehicles come with a lock function which disables the usual dash release button.  Up till 2012 Camrys and other Toyotas had a beautiful mechanical lock out key cylinder in the trunk.