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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2016, 09:50:39 am »
she loves her fuel economy in her cherokee with it... computer is reading 7.2... (4x2 sport)

Anyone who believes computer fuel consumption readings are accurate are fooling themselves.

Yep.
assuming someone hasn't changed the OEM wheels, etc, there is no reason the onboard fuel economy wouldn't be accurate...the computer knows precisely how much fuel it has used as well as the distance traveled.
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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2016, 10:04:28 am »
You know I Adore you, tooscoops!  Just sayin'

I've posted about my Cherokee rental in Miami Beach in June, where it got a solid 15mpg-ish less than the Elantra i had the week before also in Florida. Any time I got the Dart (2.4L) from Windsor to Toronto/Guelph, I usually averaged in the mid to high 7s compared to high 5s, low 6s in the Corolla or Focus.

While I'm not suggesting necessarily that the engine is a pig, my experiences with it have not been stellar in terms of fuel economy only. It's otherwise smooth and competent. Nothing terribly wrong with it.

I got 39mpg (6.0L/100km) for an average in a Chrysler 200 with the 2.4L and 9 speed when I was in Pennsylvania last year.
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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2016, 11:48:59 am »
she loves her fuel economy in her cherokee with it... computer is reading 7.2... (4x2 sport)

Anyone who believes computer fuel consumption readings are accurate are fooling themselves.

Yep.
assuming someone hasn't changed the OEM wheels, etc, there is no reason the onboard fuel economy wouldn't be accurate...the computer knows precisely how much fuel it has used as well as the distance traveled.
Yep.  In fact, I bet there is more error in hand calculation.

1. Fuel in a tank is going to evaporate a bit.  The carbon canister captures the vapours.  If the duration between fuel fill ups is higher, there is going to be more error in the hand calculation.
2. The fuel pump corrects the volume to 15°C.  That is also going to add error in the hand calculation.

In the above regards, I find the ECU readout and hand calculations to be very close to each other on diesel vehicles...

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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2016, 11:51:31 am »
she loves her fuel economy in her cherokee with it... computer is reading 7.2... (4x2 sport)

Anyone who believes computer fuel consumption readings are accurate are fooling themselves.

Yep.
assuming someone hasn't changed the OEM wheels, etc, there is no reason the onboard fuel economy wouldn't be accurate...the computer knows precisely how much fuel it has used as well as the distance traveled.
Yep.  In fact, I bet there is more error in hand calculation.

1. Fuel in a tank is going to evaporate a bit.  The carbon canister captures the vapours.  If the duration between fuel fill ups is higher, there is going to be more error in the hand calculation.
2. The fuel pump corrects the volume to 15°C.  That is also going to add error in the hand calculation.

In the above regards, I find the ECU readout and hand calculations to be very close to each other on diesel vehicles...

I've been pretty close on my vehicles, ~0.1-0.2 difference between the computer and hand calcs.

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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2016, 12:24:00 pm »
Some ECU fuel consumption calculations can be accurate, but many aren't

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1087156_your-mileage-may-vary-dashboard-mpg-readings-vary-too

My ECU fuel consumption reading in my 2015 F250 diesel was a joke.  It read 15.0 litres per 100 km pretty much all the time, including when I was pulling my 7500 pound 5th wheel.  I never did do a manual fuel economy check for a comparison, though
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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2016, 01:48:55 pm »


Some ECU fuel consumption calculations can be accurate, but many aren't

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1087156_your-mileage-may-vary-dashboard-mpg-readings-vary-too

My ECU fuel consumption reading in my 2015 F250 diesel was a joke.  It read 15.0 litres per 100 km pretty much all the time, including when I was pulling my 7500 pound 5th wheel.  I never did do a manual fuel economy check for a comparison, though

My cousin had a one ton Duramax Crewcab Dually.  He measured by hand, but said it didn't matter whether he was driving it unloaded or pulling his race car trailer, it would be at 16L/100km.

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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2016, 02:31:21 pm »
meh... from all my calculations, the fca ones are quite accurate, for better or worse! but i do recognize that some aren't (or some people don't trust them), hence my inclusion of how it was calculated.

and yeah... somewhere in the 7's is all i expect from an engine putting out 170+ hp... always wish is was it was better though!! i had thought you meant it was like 9's or something... heh...
I like MOAR POWER as much as the next forum member, but I'm unwilling to take a 1.5L/100km highway hit for the marginal betterment, especially given the Dart's weight issue. Irrelevant now given that the Dart is dead, but that Cherokee (FWD) I had was really not impressing me in ideal conditions in Florida highway driving. Getting 25mpg was a shame when the last gen Elantra netted 42mpg.
i'll dump on FCA as much as the next guy, but that's not really a fair comparison...a slipper shaped Elantra with about 140 HP vs an SUV with 170 HP...that SUV will always use more fuel...it has a larger, more powerful engine, and isn't as slippery in the wind.
Despite those differences, the 0-100km/h, 80-120km/h, 30-50km/h times are all similar enough between them.  Certainly, nobody would argue that the Cherokee's 'extra power' would be noticeable over the Elantra's (0-60 is 8.4s on the Elantra, and 9.5s on the Cherokee.

Both cars swallowed 4 adults and their bags (in the trunk) for a 3-night cruise (i.e. not huge bags, but not simple backpacks, either).  Who cares how "slippery" it is in the wind - both being FWD, the Cherokee was the inferior vehicle in nearly every respect, and certainly in terms of fuel economy.

SirO, whose side are you on?!  :P

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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2016, 02:42:31 pm »
Despite those differences, the 0-100km/h, 80-120km/h, 30-50km/h times are all similar enough between them.  Certainly, nobody would argue that the Cherokee's 'extra power' would be noticeable over the Elantra's (0-60 is 8.4s on the Elantra, and 9.5s on the Cherokee.

Both cars swallowed 4 adults and their bags (in the trunk) for a 3-night cruise (i.e. not huge bags, but not simple backpacks, either).  Who cares how "slippery" it is in the wind - both being FWD, the Cherokee was the inferior vehicle in nearly every respect, and certainly in terms of fuel economy.
it has nothing to do with 0-60 times, etc...it has to do with the fact that the Cherokee weighs almost 1000 lbs MORE than the Elantra, and the Elantra will slip through the air with ease compared to the boxier shaped Cherokee...so you have an engine that is about 20% larger in displacement, in a vehicle that weighs almost 1000 lbs more, pushing an object through the air that is far less aerodynamic...add it all up, and yes, that makes a MASSIVE difference...you simply can't criticize the Cherokee against the Elantra...if you want to criticize the Cherokee, compare it against other similar vehicles that have larger engines, weigh more and are boxy shaped...this comparison makes no sense.

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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2016, 03:21:33 pm »
Despite those differences, the 0-100km/h, 80-120km/h, 30-50km/h times are all similar enough between them.  Certainly, nobody would argue that the Cherokee's 'extra power' would be noticeable over the Elantra's (0-60 is 8.4s on the Elantra, and 9.5s on the Cherokee.

Both cars swallowed 4 adults and their bags (in the trunk) for a 3-night cruise (i.e. not huge bags, but not simple backpacks, either).  Who cares how "slippery" it is in the wind - both being FWD, the Cherokee was the inferior vehicle in nearly every respect, and certainly in terms of fuel economy.
it has nothing to do with 0-60 times, etc...it has to do with the fact that the Cherokee weighs almost 1000 lbs MORE than the Elantra, and the Elantra will slip through the air with ease compared to the boxier shaped Cherokee...so you have an engine that is about 20% larger in displacement, in a vehicle that weighs almost 1000 lbs more, pushing an object through the air that is far less aerodynamic...add it all up, and yes, that makes a MASSIVE difference...you simply can't criticize the Cherokee against the Elantra...if you want to criticize the Cherokee, compare it against other similar vehicles that have larger engines, weigh more and are boxy shaped...this comparison makes no sense.
Sure.

The Forester 2.5i, CX-5 2.5L, CR-V, etc. are all in a similar class, yet get better fuel economy despite having AWD.
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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2016, 03:34:17 pm »
Sure.

The Forester 2.5i, CX-5 2.5L, CR-V, etc. are all in a similar class, yet get better fuel economy despite having AWD.
#Lawyered.
how is that "#Lawyered"??

now you are actually talking about comparable vehicles...and the difference between the Cherokee and those vehicles would be much less than vs an Elantra, which was my point.

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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2016, 03:36:25 pm »
I don't even know how No-san is a lawyer, he sucks at arguing.  :rofl2:

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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2016, 03:37:46 pm »
SirO, whose side are you on?!  :P

Reminded me of this for some reason. ;D




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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2016, 03:38:31 pm »
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=35989&id=36147&id=36992&id=36373

compared the 2wd ones you mentioned with the cherokee (forester of course is awd)... all within 1l/100. cherokee is highest at .9l/100 over the honda and mazda... but well within comparable territory. given the hp increase and the weight in order to make the higher level ones as capable, i'd say you should expect it to be among the thirstier ones.

i'm not trying to debate facts, just explain why those facts exist. can't believe i'm siding with jeffer!! haha!

anywho, comparisons need to compare similar vehicles and the people comparing have to be able to weigh more than just the one item they are looking at.
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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2016, 03:42:38 pm »
can't believe i'm siding with jeffer!! haha!

HEY.  ???

thanks, i guess.  ;)

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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2016, 03:46:21 pm »
haha! yeah, i've just found us on different sides most of the time, so kind of nice for a change!

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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2016, 08:40:44 am »
SirO, whose side are you on?!  :P

Reminded me of this for some reason. ;D




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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2016, 08:58:02 am »
SirO, whose side are you on?!  :P

Reminded me of this for some reason. ;D




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Lets go chuck some jewellery into a volcano!  ;D

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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2016, 02:26:10 pm »
Screw that...we're going to get the bits of that damn ring back!


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« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2016, 03:42:49 pm »


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Re: Preview: 2017 Jeep Compass
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2017, 06:56:48 pm »
Was happy to find out you can get the second trim up North 4x4 (not FWD) with a 6 speed manual. Still not sure what trims come with what features.