Topic: Preview: Tesla Model 3

[Autos_Editor]

Here's what we know so far about the Tesla Model 3
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[Triple Bob]

I can't think of a worse reason to get rid of my dials than to make airflow slightly better!?!

I don't want to be looking at a laptop screen, I want dials FFS!

[Railton]

 
Railton

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By equipping the Model 3 with eight battery cells as opposed to the fourteen on the Model S and X, Tesla can get away with producing more cars with less batteries.

You meant 8 "modules". 

Tesla currently uses thousands of small cells (laptop 18650 format), and wires them together into modules, and those modules are connected together into a pack.

The 3 is set to use slightly larger cells, so that they need less modules to get the same output.

FYI, our Tesla S produced in early 2013 has 80000 km on the battery (and drive train obviously) and still charges to 96% of original capacity, that is >>400 km of range.

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@Will Ramirez : Good preview, well researched.   Ping me if you want an owners perspective on electric vehicle ownership.  I've blogged my experiences:
http://mysmartelectricdrive.blogspot.ca/

[sacrat]

"It is still a huge leap forward from having your vehicle spew harmful emissions every time you need to run out to get some milk."

Good article overall, but the above comment is the kind of rhetoric that detracts from a sensible discussion of the plusses and minuses of electric vehicle technology. Modern gas engines are VERY clean, and hardly SPEW anything into the air. This is not 1975...

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Modern gas engines are VERY clean, and hardly SPEW anything into the air. This is not 1975...

Wrong.  Your claim that gas cars are clean is relative and you are fooling yourself.

As per science, a word from the EPA:
https://www3.epa.gov/region1/airquality/nox.html

Let me know when you can run your gas car in a garage, and what that smells like, and what fumes and poisons are emitted.   My kids absolutely hate being in traffic, as they can smell the pollution of the other cars.

Ontario has one of the greenest grids on the planet, and our EV's are using the excess electricity produced overnight which would otherwise be sold at a loss to NY.   

[rrocket]

  My kids absolutely hate being in traffic, as they can smell the pollution of the other cars.

Wow...I guess the Tesla isn't sealed very well, eh?      My Lexus has an external exhaust fume detector and automatically goes into interior recirc mode through the A/C filter when it detects excessive exhaust fumes.

[Danno001]

No factory
No mass production experience building a quality product
Missed financial targets
Missed production targets
No experience building cars at a profit (and not using other people's money)

Fearless prediction - that one piece glass windshield - roof - etc, will be the first to go in the design.

Having been an early EV adopter, and having had a negative experience,  it should be an interesting 24 - 48 months ahead for Tesla.

[dirtyjeffer]

Ontario has one of the greenest grids on the planet, and our EV's are using the excess electricity produced overnight which would otherwise be sold at a loss to NY.

that's statement is intellectually dishonest..."greenest" in terms of emissions, sure...most of Ontario's energy is created with Nuclear Fission...i'm not sure if you are aware, but there is a little challenge associated with the spent fuel in terms of storage and what to do with it...the latest talk is burying it deep in the ground not far from Lake Huron, which is one of the main water sources for millions of people to drink from...surely nothing bad could happen there.

[quadzilla]

that's statement is intellectually dishonest..."greenest" in terms of emissions, sure...most of Ontario's energy is created with Nuclear Fission...i'm not sure if you are aware, but there is a little challenge associated with the spent fuel in terms of storage and what to do with it...the latest talk is burying it deep in the ground not far from Lake Huron, which is one of the main water sources for millions of people to drink from...surely nothing bad could happen there.

My guess....

[Danno001]

Ontario has one of the greenest grids on the planet, and our EV's are using the excess electricity produced overnight which would otherwise be sold at a loss to NY.

that's statement is intellectually dishonest..."greenest" in terms of emissions, sure...most of Ontario's energy is created with Nuclear Fission...i'm not sure if you are aware, but there is a little challenge associated with the spent fuel in terms of storage and what to do with it...the latest talk is burying it deep in the ground not far from Lake Huron, which is one of the main water sources for millions of people to drink from...surely nothing bad could happen there.

What happened to the Wawa depository?
Hornepayne was also in the running, about as isolated an area - that is still easily road accessible in Ontario.

I was part of a community panel about 15 years ago that met for a day to brain storm what to do with nuclear waste.
Sponsored by the Feds. We were paid $100 cash for the day, that was surreal.

Recommendation was to store waste within the plant acreage foot print.
Builds local efficiency accountability with the operators. I guess they rejected that idea.

[Ex-airbalancer]

Ontario has one of the greenest grids on the planet, and our EV's are using the excess electricity produced overnight which would otherwise be sold at a loss to NY.

that's statement is intellectually dishonest..."greenest" in terms of emissions, sure...most of Ontario's energy is created with Nuclear Fission...i'm not sure if you are aware, but there is a little challenge associated with the spent fuel in terms of storage and what to do with it...the latest talk is burying it deep in the ground not far from Lake Huron, which is one of the main water sources for millions of people to drink from...surely nothing bad could happen there.

Yes it very clean
So they only have to remove 1.2 million cubic metres of dirty in Port Hope
http://www.phai.ca/en/home/default.aspx

[Nuttygent]

  It is interesting to see what actually does " spew harmful emissions". The US burns approx 1.5 million tons of coal/year for electricity of which a good portion comes up into Canada. Not sure my car "spews" arsenic and mercury to pick up milk. Maybe people should read a bit more before making assumptions. http://www.thinkglobalgreen.org/coal.html

[Phillip123]

http://jalopnik.com/all-of-the-updates-we-know-about-the-tesla-model-3-1769759198

[tpl]

Ontario has one of the greenest grids on the planet, and our EV's are using the excess electricity produced overnight which would otherwise be sold at a loss to NY.

that's statement is intellectually dishonest..."greenest" in terms of emissions, sure...most of Ontario's energy is created with Nuclear Fission...i'm not sure if you are aware, but there is a little challenge associated with the spent fuel in terms of storage and what to do with it...the latest talk is burying it deep in the ground not far from Lake Huron, which is one of the main water sources for millions of people to drink from...surely nothing bad could happen there.

What happened to the Wawa depository?
Hornepayne was also in the running, about as isolated an area - that is still easily road accessible in Ontario.

I was part of a community panel about 15 years ago that met for a day to brain storm what to do with nuclear waste.
Sponsored by the Feds. We were paid $100 cash for the day, that was surreal.

Recommendation was to store waste within the plant acreage foot print.
Builds local efficiency accountability with the operators. I guess they rejected that idea.

A lot of the 'nuclear waste' is stuff like bootees and overalls that are deemed to be nuclear waste because they have been used in a reactor...may as well go to landfill.   The high level stuff, I have often wondered why no-one has build a ' reactor'  just to make use of the waste heat from that stuff.   I guess you could leave the stuff in a pool of water almost and bury it under greenhouse for heat or under federal prisons...

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Railton

 

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My Lexus has an external exhaust fume detector and automatically goes into interior recirc mode through the A/C filter when it detects excessive exhaust fumes.

+1 Cool tech.  Tesla has "bioweapon defence mode" on the Tesla X, see the results here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5sk_MuEr0A

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Not sure my car "spews" arsenic and mercury to pick up milk. 

Coal is a major pollution problem.  Ontario stopped coal power production a few years ago, and we've dramatically lowered the local pollution, as Nanticoke was the single largest polluting source/site in North America when it was running to power our province all those years.

While coal is bad, so are gasoline burning vehicles. It's science, straight up, not blaming, I used to own gas powered cars and hated driving them, it took a long time to get EV's into the market, and now, having two of them, I'll never go back!

[dirtyjeffer]

Not sure my car "spews" arsenic and mercury to pick up milk. 

Coal is a major pollution problem.  Ontario stopped coal power production a few years ago, and we've dramatically lowered the local pollution, as Nanticoke was the single largest polluting source/site in North America when it was running to power our province all those years.

While coal is bad, so are gasoline burning vehicles. It's science, straight up, not blaming, I used to own gas powered cars and hated driving them, it took a long time to get EV's into the market, and now, having two of them, I'll never go back!

there's no doubt that the electric vehicles have benefits, but remember, you're simply passing the "dirt" from one area to another...while your vehicles aren't producing emissions out the tail pipe, there is still an impact from the generation of electricity to begin with...while it is great we no longer burn coal, we still make a lot of our power using nuclear reactors, and dealing with the waste always has been, and likely will be an issue (until we switch to a thorium reactor, or something that can use/reduce the waste, or eventually, nuclear fusion - if that's even possible for us to do)...don't forget, the price of electricity in Ontario has skyrocketed over the last few years, and will only continue to balloon as our government is committing us to massive expensive wind/solar projects and reactor refurbishments (the Darlington plan alone will likely cost $30 Billion)...money that could have been better spent buying hydro electric power from Quebec.