Topic: Used Vehicle Review: Lexus LS, 2007-2015

[Jaeger]

Late model LS reviews are saying the current cars are not up to early model standards on Kelly Blue Book Consumer Reviews. This car is not without problems with a score of lower than 8 out of 10 on their scale.

But the older models have received good reviews and the blog sphere there is one LS approaching one-million mile mark.  They say when everyone else was spending about $1,000,000 to develop a car in the 1990's, Lexus spent twelve times that it is so over engineered.

That was somewhat part of the thinking when I got my LS. It was still essentially an upgraded LS400 platform. Everything changed with the LS460 though.

In what respect, if any, was the 460 a step backwards?

[rrocket]

Late model LS reviews are saying the current cars are not up to early model standards on Kelly Blue Book Consumer Reviews. This car is not without problems with a score of lower than 8 out of 10 on their scale.

But the older models have received good reviews and the blog sphere there is one LS approaching one-million mile mark.  They say when everyone else was spending about $1,000,000 to develop a car in the 1990's, Lexus spent twelve times that it is so over engineered.

That was somewhat part of the thinking when I got my LS. It was still essentially an upgraded LS400 platform. Everything changed with the LS460 though.

In what respect, if any, was the 460 a step backwards?

The LS430 feels more special....like more care, more attention to detail.  It feels like a low volume car.  The LS460, while still incredible...feels less special.  It doesn't ride as nice and it's a touch louder.  It feel less like the "old" super premium quality Lexus.  I think most people might not feel this vibe unless they've been driving Lexus' for many years like we have. 

[Fobroader]

Late model LS reviews are saying the current cars are not up to early model standards on Kelly Blue Book Consumer Reviews. This car is not without problems with a score of lower than 8 out of 10 on their scale.

But the older models have received good reviews and the blog sphere there is one LS approaching one-million mile mark.  They say when everyone else was spending about $1,000,000 to develop a car in the 1990's, Lexus spent twelve times that it is so over engineered.

That was somewhat part of the thinking when I got my LS. It was still essentially an upgraded LS400 platform. Everything changed with the LS460 though.

In what respect, if any, was the 460 a step backwards?

The LS430 feels more special....like more care, more attention to detail.  It feels like a low volume car.  The LS460, while still incredible...feels less special.  It doesn't ride as nice and it's a touch louder.  It feel less like the "old" super premium quality Lexus.  I think most people might not feel this vibe unless they've been driving Lexus' for many years like we have.

Really?!??! Would have never thought. I really love the 460 with the awd.

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[dirtyjeffer]

They say when everyone else was spending about $1,000,000 to develop a car in the 1990's, Lexus spent twelve times that it is so over engineered.

one million dollars sounds awfully low...last i heard, new models now take almost 1 billion dollars to develop, hence the importance of platform sharing and making a car a sales success.

[rrocket]

Late model LS reviews are saying the current cars are not up to early model standards on Kelly Blue Book Consumer Reviews. This car is not without problems with a score of lower than 8 out of 10 on their scale.

But the older models have received good reviews and the blog sphere there is one LS approaching one-million mile mark.  They say when everyone else was spending about $1,000,000 to develop a car in the 1990's, Lexus spent twelve times that it is so over engineered.

That was somewhat part of the thinking when I got my LS. It was still essentially an upgraded LS400 platform. Everything changed with the LS460 though.

In what respect, if any, was the 460 a step backwards?

The LS430 feels more special....like more care, more attention to detail.  It feels like a low volume car.  The LS460, while still incredible...feels less special.  It doesn't ride as nice and it's a touch louder.  It feel less like the "old" super premium quality Lexus.  I think most people might not feel this vibe unless they've been driving Lexus' for many years like we have.

Really?!??! Would have never thought. I really love the 460 with the awd.

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If you want AWD, you want the LS600h.  The LS460 AWD makes less HP.

Don't get me wrong...the LS460 IS awesome.  It just feels less handbuilt than the older Lexus we've owned.  I first noticed this with my 2006 IS350...which was first of the "new" Lexus models.  And the interior on all except for the top trim models feels less nice than my LS430.  It was one of the reason I chose the LS430.

As I said...I doubt anyone who hasn't owned multiple Lexus would notice.

[Jaeger]

Late model LS reviews are saying the current cars are not up to early model standards on Kelly Blue Book Consumer Reviews. This car is not without problems with a score of lower than 8 out of 10 on their scale.

But the older models have received good reviews and the blog sphere there is one LS approaching one-million mile mark.  They say when everyone else was spending about $1,000,000 to develop a car in the 1990's, Lexus spent twelve times that it is so over engineered.

That was somewhat part of the thinking when I got my LS. It was still essentially an upgraded LS400 platform. Everything changed with the LS460 though.

In what respect, if any, was the 460 a step backwards?

The LS430 feels more special....like more care, more attention to detail.  It feels like a low volume car.  The LS460, while still incredible...feels less special.  It doesn't ride as nice and it's a touch louder.  It feel less like the "old" super premium quality Lexus.  I think most people might not feel this vibe unless they've been driving Lexus' for many years like we have.

Thanks - I've seen this sentiment expressed more than once and thought I'd ask.  I've driven the LS 460 AWD - look forward to the opportunity to try out a 430 for comparison. 

[mixmanmash]

Late model LS reviews are saying the current cars are not up to early model standards on Kelly Blue Book Consumer Reviews. This car is not without problems with a score of lower than 8 out of 10 on their scale.

But the older models have received good reviews and the blog sphere there is one LS approaching one-million mile mark.  They say when everyone else was spending about $1,000,000 to develop a car in the 1990's, Lexus spent twelve times that it is so over engineered.

That was somewhat part of the thinking when I got my LS. It was still essentially an upgraded LS400 platform. Everything changed with the LS460 though.

In what respect, if any, was the 460 a step backwards?

The LS430 feels more special....like more care, more attention to detail.  It feels like a low volume car.  The LS460, while still incredible...feels less special.  It doesn't ride as nice and it's a touch louder.  It feel less like the "old" super premium quality Lexus.  I think most people might not feel this vibe unless they've been driving Lexus' for many years like we have.

Really?!??! Would have never thought. I really love the 460 with the awd.

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If you want AWD, you want the LS600h.  The LS460 AWD makes less HP.

Don't get me wrong...the LS460 IS awesome.  It just feels less handbuilt than the older Lexus we've owned.  I first noticed this with my 2006 IS350...which was first of the "new" Lexus models.  And the interior on all except for the top trim models feels less nice than my LS430.  It was one of the reason I chose the LS430.

As I said...I doubt anyone who hasn't owned multiple Lexus would notice.

Thanks for that info.  The only thing that concerns me with the LS600h is how much the batteries intrude on the trunk.  I haven't seen one in person though.

I saw a used 2010 LS600hL AWD in my area with a 100k kms for about $35k.  Thought it was a heck of a deal.

[rrocket]

I saw a used 2010 LS600hL AWD in my area with a 100k kms for about $35k.  Thought it was a heck of a deal.

I occasionally see them in the high 20s.

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Lexus/LS/Markham/Ontario/5_26792334_ON20071001105925155/?ursrc=hl&showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=1_15_2

[wing]

Argh don't post that.  You evil tempter.

[rrocket]

Argh don't post that.  You evil tempter.

I know.  I want one.  BAD! 

I'll give you $15k for the ISF so you can go buy it!!

[wing]

http://www.autos.ca/lexus/day-by-day-review-2010-lexus-ls600h/

[johngenx]

That's probably the best $30K you can spend on a car.

[rrocket]

That's probably the best $30K you can spend on a car.

I agree.  And the CVT seems to match a V8 better...for reasons I can't explain.

[rrocket]

And it definitely can get out of its own way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kJowH8GHuw

[wing]

I explained it.  It's like a rush of power it works so well.

[Jaeger]

Holy crap, I had no idea those things were a buck and a half new! 

[rrocket]

I explained it.  It's like a rush of power it works so well.

LOL...that doesn't really explain why it works so well.  Maybe it's because of all the torque from the V8 already?  So the CVT feels less "stepped"??

[rrocket]

Holy crap, I had no idea those things were a buck and a half new! 

My LS430 was over $100K new.   

Jaeger needs to jump on that LS600h!!

[wing]

Well to be fair only 120 if you didn't get the loaded model with the self parking.   But yeah, not cheap.

Heck my LX570 was $110k new

[rrocket]

Heck my LX570 was $110k new

Pretty facking sweet owning a $100K car, eh Wing?