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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2016, 12:10:16 pm »
MSRPs from the NADA guide, adjusted for inflation in brackets.

http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars/Manufacturers

1990 Mercedes-Benz 560SEL was $73,800 ($133,885)
1990 Mercedes-Benz 300E was $39,950 ($72,475)
1990 Lexus LS400 was $35,000 ($63,495)

Oh thanks - that's a great resource :)

Wow, Mercedes really was living high on the hog  :o

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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2016, 12:14:02 pm »
Thanks for that. I assume those are base prices in USD?

So 2016 S550 starts at US$96k
2016 E350 US$53k
2016 LS460 US$73k

It's amazing how much more car you get these days for not much more less money. Or maybe it's all just extra tech gewgaws and doodads, but the car itself is no better (thinking flashy new Merc vs. bank vault 80s Merc)  :-\

Anyway, if I was in the market for a luxo/sport sedan (and I doubt I ever will be), I could see myself taking a hard look at the Caddy. By most accounts, it's the only one that favours the sport side of the luxo/sport equation. And I'm also partial to base models, so $50k-ish for the RWD-and-a-stick model seems not outrageous. I also expect that actual selling prices on these (especially the loaded ones) will be quite a bit under the scary MSRP numbers.
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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2016, 12:24:13 pm »
Yup US prices.

Something that Cadillac has surely considered is the Chivas Regal effect:

According to marketing folklore, the Chivas Regal brand of scotch whisky was struggling to gain market share and its sales were low. Its owners doubled its price -- without changing the whisky -- and saw unit sales double. Consumers saw the increased price as evidence that this must be a quality brand. In the 1980s, some U.S. universities adopted the same kind of policy, and the Chivas Regal effect became more associated with tuition costs than whisky. Colleges started to raise tuition fees to bring in more money and typically saw a significant increase in enrollment. At the time, parents equated higher tuition costs with a better standard of education.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7569473_chivas-regal-effect.html

It's certainly worked for Porsche.
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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2016, 12:40:35 pm »
Veblen goods. :)

I once read a story about a guy who owned an upscale antique store. He had a plain Persian rug that had been in the store forever and he couldn't get rid of it. It was priced at a couple hundred bucks, IIRC.

Finally he decided to try raising the price every week until it sold. Eventually someone just had to have this "rare and ancient luxury artifact" and paid something like ten grand for it.  :rofl2:

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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2016, 01:09:30 pm »
MSRPs from the NADA guide, adjusted for inflation in brackets.

http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars/Manufacturers

1990 Mercedes-Benz 560SEL was $73,800 ($133,885)
1990 Mercedes-Benz 300E was $39,950 ($72,475)
1990 Lexus LS400 was $35,000 ($63,495)

Was just about to post this. The 420SEL was probably the closer competitor to the Lexus, and IIRC it was in the low-mid $60s.

Thought this was interesting: Car and Driver did a comparison in 1990 with the Bentley Turbo R, Benz 560SEL, BMW 750iL, and the Lexus. It was a "price is no object" comparison and the Lexus came in third. Previously it had won a comparison with six competitors.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/bmw-750il-vs-mercedes-benz-560sel-lexus-ls400-bentley-turbo-r-archived-comparison-test

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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2016, 01:35:01 pm »
Yup US prices.

Something that Cadillac has surely considered is the Chivas Regal effect:

According to marketing folklore, the Chivas Regal brand of scotch whisky was struggling to gain market share and its sales were low. Its owners doubled its price -- without changing the whisky -- and saw unit sales double. Consumers saw the increased price as evidence that this must be a quality brand. In the 1980s, some U.S. universities adopted the same kind of policy, and the Chivas Regal effect became more associated with tuition costs than whisky. Colleges started to raise tuition fees to bring in more money and typically saw a significant increase in enrollment. At the time, parents equated higher tuition costs with a better standard of education.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7569473_chivas-regal-effect.html

It's certainly worked for Porsche.

That’s really interesting. Apologies for going O/T but I heard a pretty cool example of the Chivas Effect on a recent podcast. It was an interview with David Choe, a talented pop / graffiti artist.

When Choe started out, he was eking out a living, selling his art for a couple hundred bucks a pop. Then he discovered, randomly, he was really good at poker — so good, in fact, that his winnings obviated the need to sell art for a living.

But still an artist at heart, and not needing the money, he kept painting but also decided: why not jack up the price of his work by 10x, and see if that Chivas Effect wouldn’t kick in. Sure enough, it did. He blew up, was suddenly everywhere.

The craziest part of the story? Once he got some artistic recognition, some nerdy kid with a little startup called “Facebook” contacted him in 2005, asked him paint to his office wall, and not for cash (which was in short supply at the time) but an equity stake. Yup. Choe’s now worth ~$200 million.
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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2016, 01:41:27 pm »
the Chivas Regal effect:
My least favourite effect :(

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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2016, 08:18:58 pm »
We had a friend who tried to sell her condo for $250k for months without success. Buyers were trying to nickel and dime everything; some had issues with financing. She increased her price to over $300k and sold it within a week.

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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2016, 09:07:36 pm »
We had a friend who tried to sell her condo for $250k for months without success. Buyers were trying to nickel and dime everything; some had issues with financing. She increased her price to over $300k and sold it within a week.
By increasing her price, she filtered out the riff raff.

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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2016, 08:36:20 am »
We had a friend who tried to sell her condo for $250k for months without success. Buyers were trying to nickel and dime everything; some had issues with financing. She increased her price to over $300k and sold it within a week.
By increasing her price, she filtered out the riff raff.

Indeed. That was a wise move.

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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2016, 07:35:27 am »
Looks to be a capable car but at $75k large, it had better be. I would just rather spend the cash elsewhere.

This.  I'm having a hard time seeing the value at this price point.  And I wish manufacturers of all stripes  would stop releasing not-quite-ready-from-prime-time transmissions.  Seriously.  The higher the price point, the harder that S#!t is to take.

The 5.0L Genesis Ultimate would definitely get my attention.

With the $5,000 on the hood, it is showing $59,000 price tag (+tax)

https://www.hyundaicanada.com/Pages/showroom/showroom.aspx?model=genesis

Expected for a 2015.

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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2016, 07:40:39 am »
Not my end of the market. I've got no issues with the CTS, and would look at one closely, if I was shopping in this class though.

CTS VSport is a real winner between Audi S6 and Lexus GS-F. Considering a discounted price that Cadillac offers and its a no-brainer new or used.
http://www.motortrend.com/news/comparison-audi-s6-4-0t-quattro-vs-cadillac-cts-v-sport-vs-lexus-gs-f/

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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2016, 12:43:05 am »
"Despite being the same displacement as last year’s engine, this is Cadillac’s new mill, first introduced in the new CT6 sedan. "

No it isn't the same displacement. The bore is one mm larger. The old one was 3570 cc, the new one is 3630 cc. They both round to 3.6l. It's a brand new engine with a completely different block, announced last March and probably even in the auto.ca news file. Don't believe me? Here's the link to Cadillac's announcement:

http://media.cadillac.com/media/us/en/cadillac/vehicles/ct6/2016.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2015/mar/0320-cadillac/0320-cadillac-36l.html

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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2016, 07:45:21 am »
By increasing her Condo price by $50K she used the "Vancouver REGAL syndrome"  a bigger idiot came along.... :stick: :think: :thumbdown: '''try that yerself with your Cars and condos.... :'( :'( :'(
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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2016, 07:44:20 pm »
Hmm 75K and a stuttering transmission. At this price point shouldn't something as major as the transmission be beyond beta testing and suspect?
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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2016, 09:32:06 am »
Hmm 75K and a stuttering transmission. At this price point shouldn't something as major as the transmission be beyond beta testing and suspect?

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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2016, 10:53:12 am »
Hmm 75K and a stuttering transmission. At this price point shouldn't something as major as the transmission be beyond beta testing and suspect?

No.
i'm thinking a comparison test is due soon...a nicely equipped Genesis would likely compete very well against this.
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Re: Test Drive: 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 AWD
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2016, 09:00:16 pm »
My A6 was $65k and I fail to see why this CTS is worth $75k.  GM needs to be a value leader if it hopes to compete against the Germans.

The CTS and it's competitors are in a slow selling segment that do not hold their value well. The CTS can benhad for $15 000 off MSRP here in the states.

For what you get the XTS is a better deal.