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tire storage question
« on: December 03, 2015, 09:21:54 pm »
Hey folks, I've done some re-arranging in the garage with some of my shelving.. in the past i've normally stored my two sets of tires on the concrete stacked 4 high on top of each other.  Due to space constraints I've piled both sets on top of each other so there are 8 tires stacked up.  They are stable so I am not worried about them falling. But can I be harming the tires due to all that weight? Especially the bottom tires?

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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2015, 09:27:02 pm »
Doubt it.

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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2015, 10:39:12 pm »
Put 50 psi in each.

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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2015, 06:47:43 am »
50PSI? Wow.. ok..

Thanks for your responses.

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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2015, 07:04:39 am »
I have read they should not be stacked more that 4 high. Although I cannot really see what damage that might cause.

I have heard you are supposed to lower the air pressure. Before you do 50 PSI make sure it does not exceed the max pressure on sidewall.

I would not place them directly on concrete. I would rest them on a couple pieces of 2 by 4.

I personally have my tires on stands that have wheels on them. I love them. Keep them off the ground and I can easily move them around garage as needed. No matter where I put them there always seems to be a reason they have to be moved.
 

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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2015, 12:18:17 pm »
.Where is WEELS when ya need I'm ?''' I HEAR he just lies down in the basement fer tha Winter :shuffle:
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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2015, 09:19:40 am »
A couple of thoughts:

Adding air to a tire replenishes the oxygen supply inside the tire - making the tire age faster..  So overinflating or underinflating tires just for storage is not a good idea.

Stacking tires for several months might permanently distort them - and the more stress you put them under, the more likely there will be a permanent distortion.  The idea of stacking tires 8 high is definitely in the wrong direction.

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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2016, 04:59:24 pm »
Put 50 psi in each.

why would you do that?

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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2016, 06:44:16 pm »
Put 50 psi in each.

why would you do that?

For a smooth, no bump ride.  Oh sorry, that's only for Hercules...

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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2016, 08:20:01 pm »
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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2016, 09:23:50 pm »
Put 50 psi in each.

why would you do that?

To give the sidewalls some strength.  50 psi is minor.

As for the earlier moronic comment about excess oxygen  ::), as any person that owns trailers that sit outside 24/7, year after year, sunlight is the destroyer of tires, not 14 extra pounds of air pressure.

Visit a collector car display where vehicles sit for months on en; check out how over inflated the tires look.  :)

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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2016, 09:55:31 pm »
Given the stresses put on tires in normal use, it's hard to imagine stacking them 8 high is going to make any difference. It's like racing cyclists used to hang their bikes on the wall when not in use so the wheels would stay round.  If sitting them on concrete is bad, imagine the harm being done to tires by underground and other concrete parking garages.
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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2016, 11:51:36 pm »
Given the stresses put on tires in normal use, it's hard to imagine stacking them 8 high is going to make any difference. It's like racing cyclists used to hang their bikes on the wall when not in use so the wheels would stay round.  If sitting them on concrete is bad, imagine the harm being done to tires by underground and other concrete parking garages.

Good to know we should take your common sense advice and ignore the storage recommendations of numerous tire manufacturers and retailers.
 I mean, what do engineers know?  Stack 'em high.
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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2016, 10:17:41 pm »
Given the stresses put on tires in normal use, it's hard to imagine stacking them 8 high is going to make any difference. It's like racing cyclists used to hang their bikes on the wall when not in use so the wheels would stay round.  If sitting them on concrete is bad, imagine the harm being done to tires by underground and other concrete parking garages.

Good to know we should take your common sense advice and ignore the storage recommendations of numerous tire manufacturers and retailers.
 I mean, what do engineers know?  Stack 'em high.

Numerous experts but you don't provide a single citation?

So I did a search.  Most tire storage advice doesn't even mention stacking height.  That by itself doesn't support that it's a huge concern.

http://www.tirebusiness.com/article/20070521/NEWS/305219993/tire-storage-dos-donts-dont-just-stack-em-up-and-forget-about-them
- commmercial truck tires: stack'em as high as you can lift them

http://www.tirebuyer.com/education/storing-tires-for-longer-life
- if the stack is too high the stack can fall over and the tires may thus be damaged (!)

Ah, at last.  From eBay advice:
http://www.ebay.com/gds/How-to-Store-Winter-Tires-/10000000177404749/g.html
"The most common practice is to lay the tires flat, stacked up to four high. This keeps the tower from becoming too tall and unstable, and allows for even pressure to be exerted on all parts of the tire."
Sounds like nonsense.  "Even pressure on all parts of the tire"?  How is that possible?

Here's the official Michelin advice, which describes an even higher degree of care:
http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/learn-share/care-guide/the-storage-story
"Do not stack tyres in piles over long periods. Try to avoid crushing your tyres under heavy objects. When handling tyres, it is recommend that you use protective gloves and clothing. Tyres may be stacked on top of each other in piles no higher than 1.2 metres (4ft), preferably on pallets. Reverse the order of the tyres every four weeks. When tyres are mounted on rims, store them inflated in a vertical position or in a single row on shelves. For longer-term storage, place tyres vertically on racks raised at least 10cm (4") above floor level. Slightly rotate them once a month to avoid distortion. If a fitted tyre is not used for a longer period of time, check the pressure regularly and maintain it at level recommended by the manufacturer."

It's difficult to see car tires as fragile when you see how well ones improperly disposed of, last in the environment.  Lots of sites list storage on bare concrete as a moisture concern.  Tires that wash ashore from the ocean don't seem to have been harmed by moisture.  I suppose in Vancouver the damage to mounted tires from moisture must be balanced by the lack of sun exposure.

As to forming flat spots, a tire's own weight is about 1/25th of the weight it would bear holding up a typical car.  Since modern tires flat-spot little or at all, it's hard to imagine a tire will flat-spot under its own weight.

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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2016, 11:07:15 pm »
I'm now paranoid about my tire stacks ahahah. But other than suspended by a long axle, I can't see any way of avoiding some potential distortion/warping

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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2016, 11:55:13 pm »
Given the stresses put on tires in normal use, it's hard to imagine stacking them 8 high is going to make any difference. It's like racing cyclists used to hang their bikes on the wall when not in use so the wheels would stay round.  If sitting them on concrete is bad, imagine the harm being done to tires by underground and other concrete parking garages.

Good to know we should take your common sense advice and ignore the storage recommendations of numerous tire manufacturers and retailers.
 I mean, what do engineers know?  Stack 'em high.

Numerous experts but you don't provide a single citation?

So I did a search.  Most tire storage advice doesn't even mention stacking height.  That by itself doesn't support that it's a huge concern.

http://www.tirebusiness.com/article/20070521/NEWS/305219993/tire-storage-dos-donts-dont-just-stack-em-up-and-forget-about-them
- commmercial truck tires: stack'em as high as you can lift them

http://www.tirebuyer.com/education/storing-tires-for-longer-life
- if the stack is too high the stack can fall over and the tires may thus be damaged (!)

Ah, at last.  From eBay advice:
http://www.ebay.com/gds/How-to-Store-Winter-Tires-/10000000177404749/g.html
"The most common practice is to lay the tires flat, stacked up to four high. This keeps the tower from becoming too tall and unstable, and allows for even pressure to be exerted on all parts of the tire."
Sounds like nonsense.  "Even pressure on all parts of the tire"?  How is that possible?

Here's the official Michelin advice, which describes an even higher degree of care:
http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/learn-share/care-guide/the-storage-story
"Do not stack tyres in piles over long periods. Try to avoid crushing your tyres under heavy objects. When handling tyres, it is recommend that you use protective gloves and clothing. Tyres may be stacked on top of each other in piles no higher than 1.2 metres (4ft), preferably on pallets. Reverse the order of the tyres every four weeks. When tyres are mounted on rims, store them inflated in a vertical position or in a single row on shelves. For longer-term storage, place tyres vertically on racks raised at least 10cm (4") above floor level. Slightly rotate them once a month to avoid distortion. If a fitted tyre is not used for a longer period of time, check the pressure regularly and maintain it at level recommended by the manufacturer."

It's difficult to see car tires as fragile when you see how well ones improperly disposed of, last in the environment.  Lots of sites list storage on bare concrete as a moisture concern.  Tires that wash ashore from the ocean don't seem to have been harmed by moisture.  I suppose in Vancouver the damage to mounted tires from moisture must be balanced by the lack of sun exposure.

As to forming flat spots, a tire's own weight is about 1/25th of the weight it would bear holding up a typical car.  Since modern tires flat-spot little or at all, it's hard to imagine a tire will flat-spot under its own weight.

Well, I didn't know your  Google was broken, but then when you even ignore the results from your own search because it "sounds like nonsense", well, I don't know what to say.  You must be the expert.

 I noticed you also don't agree with the tire engineer on this forum that said stacking them 8 high was a bad idea.  Are you also a tire designer or engineer?

In that first link you provided about commercial tires, "stack'em as high as you can lift them" referred to tires on rims.   "Unmounted, standard truck tires should be stacked horizontally to a maximum of six to eight tires or three to four wide-base tires."   is what they said about unmounted tires.


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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2016, 10:57:43 pm »
Given the stresses put on tires in normal use, it's hard to imagine stacking them 8 high is going to make any difference. It's like racing cyclists used to hang their bikes on the wall when not in use so the wheels would stay round.  If sitting them on concrete is bad, imagine the harm being done to tires by underground and other concrete parking garages.

Good to know we should take your common sense advice and ignore the storage recommendations of numerous tire manufacturers and retailers.
 I mean, what do engineers know?  Stack 'em high.

Numerous experts but you don't provide a single citation?

So I did a search.  Most tire storage advice doesn't even mention stacking height.  That by itself doesn't support that it's a huge concern.

http://www.tirebusiness.com/article/20070521/NEWS/305219993/tire-storage-dos-donts-dont-just-stack-em-up-and-forget-about-them
- commmercial truck tires: stack'em as high as you can lift them

http://www.tirebuyer.com/education/storing-tires-for-longer-life
- if the stack is too high the stack can fall over and the tires may thus be damaged (!)

Ah, at last.  From eBay advice:
http://www.ebay.com/gds/How-to-Store-Winter-Tires-/10000000177404749/g.html
"The most common practice is to lay the tires flat, stacked up to four high. This keeps the tower from becoming too tall and unstable, and allows for even pressure to be exerted on all parts of the tire."
Sounds like nonsense.  "Even pressure on all parts of the tire"?  How is that possible?

Here's the official Michelin advice, which describes an even higher degree of care:
http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/learn-share/care-guide/the-storage-story
"Do not stack tyres in piles over long periods. Try to avoid crushing your tyres under heavy objects. When handling tyres, it is recommend that you use protective gloves and clothing. Tyres may be stacked on top of each other in piles no higher than 1.2 metres (4ft), preferably on pallets. Reverse the order of the tyres every four weeks. When tyres are mounted on rims, store them inflated in a vertical position or in a single row on shelves. For longer-term storage, place tyres vertically on racks raised at least 10cm (4") above floor level. Slightly rotate them once a month to avoid distortion. If a fitted tyre is not used for a longer period of time, check the pressure regularly and maintain it at level recommended by the manufacturer."

It's difficult to see car tires as fragile when you see how well ones improperly disposed of, last in the environment.  Lots of sites list storage on bare concrete as a moisture concern.  Tires that wash ashore from the ocean don't seem to have been harmed by moisture.  I suppose in Vancouver the damage to mounted tires from moisture must be balanced by the lack of sun exposure.

As to forming flat spots, a tire's own weight is about 1/25th of the weight it would bear holding up a typical car.  Since modern tires flat-spot little or at all, it's hard to imagine a tire will flat-spot under its own weight.

Well, I didn't know your  Google was broken, but then when you even ignore the results from your own search because it "sounds like nonsense", well, I don't know what to say.  You must be the expert.

 I noticed you also don't agree with the tire engineer on this forum that said stacking them 8 high was a bad idea.  Are you also a tire designer or engineer?

In that first link you provided about commercial tires, "stack'em as high as you can lift them" referred to tires on rims.   "Unmounted, standard truck tires should be stacked horizontally to a maximum of six to eight tires or three to four wide-base tires."   is what they said about unmounted tires.

If "even pressure to be exerted on all parts of the tire" doesn't sound like nonsense to you, there's nothing I can do about that.  So what do you think that means?

Are you saying capriracer is a tire engineer?  Unless I'm mistaken that person is the only one who advised against stacking 8 high on this topic. 

I note that the op did not specify whether the tires were mounted or not.  Perhaps you're psychic.  And never stack 2x4's more than 8 deep.

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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2016, 10:49:20 am »
  ..... Are you saying capriracer is a tire engineer?  ......

Allow me to confirm that I am a retired tire engineer.  In my previous life, my job (among many other tasks) was to answer questions such as this.

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Re: tire storage question
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Re: tire storage question
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2016, 11:15:39 am »
Capri Racer can let his rubber hit the road...as long!! as it's a Lotus Capri ;D ..I would trust him as long as his sipes last :light: :bounce: