Topic: 2016 BMW M2 set to arrive in Canada next spring

[Autos_Editor]

BMW's back with a true M car
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[aquadorhj]

i am almost tempted to buy this car.


if last 1M was anything to go by, this car probably won't cost anything to buy and use for 1 year.

(1 year old 1Ms were more expensive than brand new...  granted, this was a limited production car)

[OliverD]

1Ms are still priced in the $60k+ range.

The M2 will be likely be built in much higher numbers though. I wouldn't expect the same resale values.

So can we expect the M2's price to split the difference between the M235i and the M4? That would put it at exactly $60k.

[Blueprint]

For the masses, BMW is also coming out with an X2 - you guessed, it, a "coupe CUV" version. Good Lord 

[Noto]

Bimmer says that’s enough power to move the M2 from a stop to 100 km/h in 4.3 seconds when fitted with the optional seven-speed dual-clutch transmission (DCT) and its launch control function; the standard six-speed manual allows a 4.5-second sprint.

Congrats, Johnnymac, on your Golf R - an AWD, hot hatch that is faster than the upcoming BMW M2 despite having 2 fewer cylinders.

Bimmers need to go on diets.  19" wheels, as light-weight as they are, are still porky (as a suggestion that they are but one component where style is taken over function - which is inexcusable in an "M" car).

Sorry, I'm just not liking this based on what I expect the price premium will be.

Hammy, you interested?

[OliverD]

Congrats, Johnnymac, on your Golf R - an AWD, hot hatch that is faster than the upcoming BMW M2 despite having 2 fewer cylinders.

Huh? An M235i is already faster than an R.

[mixmanmash]

Congrats, Johnnymac, on your Golf R - an AWD, hot hatch that is faster than the upcoming BMW M2 despite having 2 fewer cylinders.

Huh? An M235i is already faster than an R.

Exactly.

[Noto]

Barely.  The R is 4.5s, the M2 is 4.3s.  Meh.

[OliverD]

Barely.  The R is 4.5s, the M2 is 4.3s.  Meh.

No one has tested the M2 and BMW's estimates are always conservative. A manual R (what JohnnyMac has) takes 5.2 seconds to hit sixty.

[mixmanmash]

Barely.  The R is 4.5s, the M2 is 4.3s.  Meh.

AWD on one and not the other. M2 is a significantly faster vehicle - the 1/4mile and trap speed will show that.

Exactly.  0-60mph is a very small measure of how fast a car is.  1/4 mile tells a lot more.

[redman]

I'd like to see all the M series under 5 beside each other. I'm just not seeing the size difference here. Is it marketing are these that different in price to justify one over the other ?

[Noto]

0-60mph is a very small measure of how fast a car is.  1/4 mile tells a lot more.

Look, I'll concede that my first comment was stupid, but I disagree that 1/4 mile tells more unless you actually track the thing.  For public roads, 0-30, 0-50, 20-60, and 50-70 (all mph) are the most relevant.  I don't need to know how fast the car will accelerate in a straight line within 11-20 seconds and between 80 and 115 mph.

Fine.  The M2 is going to be fast.  It's also going to be strictly RWD (so not a great year-rounder), its suspension harsher for potholed roads, etc.

[Patrick_D1]

0-60mph is a very small measure of how fast a car is.  1/4 mile tells a lot more.

Look, I'll concede that my first comment was stupid, but I disagree that 1/4 mile tells more unless you actually track the thing.  For public roads, 0-30, 0-50, 20-60, and 50-70 (all mph) are the most relevant.  I don't need to know how fast the car will accelerate in a straight line within 11-20 seconds and between 80 and 115 mph.

Fine.  The M2 is going to be fast.  It's also going to be strictly RWD (so not a great year-rounder), its suspension harsher for potholed roads, etc.

You're missing the point, NoTo (I'm not using the new name  ). The 1/4 trap speed is a much better indication of a car's ability to put down power over a broad range than the 0-60 is. The Golf R gets an AWD holeshot (at the expense of heavy abuse to the drive line) to eke out a low 0-60, but the additional power of the BMW will allow it to eat the VW's lunch everywhere else. Pair that with what's certain to be a better weight distribution, more contact patch, superior brakes, more advanced suspension, RWD, and more... and you have a pointless discussion, because one of these German cars will invariably be much more expensive.

But still faster.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

But still faster.

Until it rains, or snows, or is otherwise inclement.


Just sayin' 

[johngenx]

I'd lease one - wouldn't think about owning a turbo BMW.  Would sure be fun for the term!

[Hammy]

Bimmer says that’s enough power to move the M2 from a stop to 100 km/h in 4.3 seconds when fitted with the optional seven-speed dual-clutch transmission (DCT) and its launch control function; the standard six-speed manual allows a 4.5-second sprint.

Congrats, Johnnymac, on your Golf R - an AWD, hot hatch that is faster than the upcoming BMW M2 despite having 2 fewer cylinders.

Bimmers need to go on diets.  19" wheels, as light-weight as they are, are still porky (as a suggestion that they are but one component where style is taken over function - which is inexcusable in an "M" car).

Sorry, I'm just not liking this based on what I expect the price premium will be.

Hammy, you interested?

I checked thinking someone might ask that...... But no I think I'll pass.   But never say never!

[OliverD]

Fine.  The M2 is going to be fast.  It's also going to be strictly RWD (so not a great year-rounder), its suspension harsher for potholed roads, etc.

Yes, because one is a sports car and one is a hot hatch. Nothing wrong with either one of those things but they're not exactly comparable vehicles.

[Noto]

My point of mentioning the Golf R was to fluff Johnny's happiness for his purchase.  It was silly of me to carry on beyond that.

The M2 is likely a great progression in the lines of the rest of the M-cars, and I'd love to drive, or perhaps lease one.

[evil_twin]

Johnny should definitely be happy with his purchase.   But "beating an M-car" doesn't need to be part of rationalization.

The argument that the M2 won't be as fast as the Golf R in the snow or rain is silly.   People aren't buying RWD sportscars for January track dates.

My econo-bomb WRX would eat a Ferrari's lunch in 8" of snow.   sik!

[Noto]

Johnny should definitely be happy with his purchase.   But "beating an M-car" doesn't need to be part of rationalization.

not a rationalization - a cheeky comment only.