Topic: Test Drive: 2016 Volkswagen CC

[Fobroader]

The CC is for VW what the CLS and A7 are for MB and Audi...a more stylish version of a sedan elsewhere in the lineup.

Buyers who place high value on style get to pay a premium for the privilege.

It's not a complicated value proposition and clearly not for most people.

Seems pretty obscure, not sure if it's been a failure or success for VW.

I honestly can count the amount of CCs I've seen on one hand.

Me too.

My hunch? Image conscious people would rather buy an inexpensive MB/Audi/BMW than an expensive VW.

Much like that really expensive VW with the W12, Phantom?? I think, it was well into A8 category, and what do you want to say you just dropped $80-100k on, a VW or Audi??

[Triple Bob]

More importantly, whose is the handbag in the trunk?

 

[soj]

Really remarkable, not a word in the article about VW's current troubles and the possible effect on MSRP.  If I'm not mistaken there has been talk about incentives to maintain some type of sales momentum given the loss of diesel sales, ... yes ... no?  We wouldn't know it from this article, its business as usual but in fairness perhaps the article was in prep long before the VW emissions scandal.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

If there’s one thing we can count on, it’s that a “coupe” – regardless of it wearing two doors or four

Your Jedi mind tricks won't work on me, boy. 


I see a white CC almost every morning in traffic. It makes my car look stodgy. But that's ok. I like stodgy.

It was also half the price of this thing.

[Kris78]

Is this even nice enough to overlook the myriad of swoopy midsize sedans?

With soft driving dynamics - as portrayed in the article - I question if this would justify the price difference over a Mazda 6 GT, Fusion Titanium, or 200C AWD. All three of which are just as stylish (to me anyhow) as the CC.

[BernardP]

Instead of this aging, droopy, unpractical and overpriced CC, Volkswagen should import its latest european Passat... Put the 220 HP 2.0T engine from the current A4 in it and make it available with optional 4Motion drivetrain. Sell a base model without leather and electronic gadgets for 10 k$ less than a base FWD A4.

 http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/passat-viii/home

[mlin32]

Instead of this aging, droopy, unpractical and overpriced CC, Volkswagen should import its latest european Passat... Put the 220 HP 2.0T engine from the current A4 in it and make it available with optional 4Motion drivetrain. Sell a base model without leather and electronic gadgets for 10 k$ less than a base FWD A4.

 http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/passat-viii/home

No one would pay the necessary money for an import VW. VW used to do that for the Passat before the current bland generation and it was never a volume seller. Plus, European expectations and preferences don't line up with what people on this side of the ocean want.

[OliverD]

Instead of this aging, droopy, unpractical and overpriced CC, Volkswagen should import its latest european Passat... Put the 220 HP 2.0T engine from the current A4 in it and make it available with optional 4Motion drivetrain. Sell a base model without leather and electronic gadgets for 10 k$ less than a base FWD A4.

 http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/passat-viii/home

No one would pay the necessary money for an import VW. VW used to do that for the Passat before the current bland generation and it was never a volume seller. Plus, European expectations and preferences don't line up with what people on this side of the ocean want.

The B5 sold very well, in some years upwards of 80k in the U.S. That's pretty damn good by VW standards. But I don't think VW would be able to repeat that success today, unfortunately.

[NormT]

The CC just looks so old in design, wouldn't even hit my radar map if I were in the market for large sedan.
What would be in order of preference:
Genesis
Lexus ES/GS
Avalon
Maxima
300C (long shot)
none of the Ford products interest me

Lexus GS depreciate like rock(30%) in 20,000 miles)! You should be able to pick one up for a good deal.
http://www.edmunds.com/lexus/gs-350/2013/long-term-road-test/2013-lexus-gs-350-inspected-and-sold.html

[EV-Light]

Another VW model in desperate need of a total redo...instead they put out more of the same. No wonder why sales are tanking and it certainly makes me wonder what the heck the CEO is thinking.


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[Jaeger]

If you need 4 doors, presumably you need a back seat - which happens to be a cramped penalty box in this model.

[OliverD]

Another VW model in desperate need of a total redo...instead they put out more of the same. No wonder why sales are tanking and it certainly makes me wonder what the heck the CEO is thinking.


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A replacement is coming.

[EV-Light]

Another VW model in desperate need of a total redo...instead they put out more of the same. No wonder why sales are tanking and it certainly makes me wonder what the heck the CEO is thinking.


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A replacement is coming.

by 2019?....

[Blueprint]

Right now there is 7000$ off on the 2015 2.0T CC, 9000$ for "loyal" VW owners. Add dealer cashbacks and perhaps a bonus for not taking the 0% financing, and you're 10k$ under msrp.

Who said only the domestics had Sears pricing? 

Looks were better before the update, but impractical as it is, it still turns my head.

[hemusbull]

This one reminds me the super expensive Leipzig plant, VW built for S/7 classes competitor Phaeton. It was total failure but at least never ate the sales of VW's own Audi A8. Now CC's destiny is an imminent death...

[OliverD]

This one reminds me the super expensive Leipzig plant, VW built for S/7 classes competitor Phaeton. It was total failure but at least never ate the sales of VW's own Audi A8. Now CC's destiny is an imminent death...

It's actually in Dresden. They built the Bentley Flying Spur there for a short bit but now it is exclusively a Phaeton plant. A second gen Phaeton is supposedly coming soon as well.

Not sure why you say imminent death though, it's well documented that it will be replaced.

[DriverJeff]

Really remarkable, not a word in the article about VW's current troubles and the possible effect on MSRP.  If I'm not mistaken there has been talk about incentives to maintain some type of sales momentum given the loss of diesel sales, ... yes ... no?  We wouldn't know it from this article, its business as usual but in fairness perhaps the article was in prep long before the VW emissions scandal.

The article was written before all the sh!t hit the fan for VW several weeks ago.

[mmret]

Really remarkable, not a word in the article about VW's current troubles and the possible effect on MSRP.  If I'm not mistaken there has been talk about incentives to maintain some type of sales momentum given the loss of diesel sales, ... yes ... no?  We wouldn't know it from this article, its business as usual but in fairness perhaps the article was in prep long before the VW emissions scandal.

The article was written before all the sh!t hit the fan for VW several weeks ago.

I also highly doubt they'd do anything along the lines of discounting.

1. they don't need money
2. it would be a sign of weakness and exacerbate lease residuals etc.
3. why would a gas VW or non-implicated diesel VW be any less valuable now than before?
4. assuming a suitable fix can be found that does not impact performance etc. why would an impacted diesel VW be that much less valuable than before?
5. they don't need money
6. this isn't like the Toyota thing which was, at least allegedly, a safety issue. This is ultimately a very technical emissions issue that most people would never notice. Some people might get their nickers up in a knot (XTraction types) but I would wager those folks represent a small part of VW's customer demographic anyway
7. rebuilding the brand and buring this is what they need to do, and reducing MSRP or offering incentives is definitely not the way to do that
8. they still don't need money

[EV-Light]

Really remarkable, not a word in the article about VW's current troubles and the possible effect on MSRP.  If I'm not mistaken there has been talk about incentives to maintain some type of sales momentum given the loss of diesel sales, ... yes ... no?  We wouldn't know it from this article, its business as usual but in fairness perhaps the article was in prep long before the VW emissions scandal.

The article was written before all the sh!t hit the fan for VW several weeks ago.

I also highly doubt they'd do anything along the lines of discounting.

1. they don't need money
2. it would be a sign of weakness and exacerbate lease residuals etc.
3. why would a gas VW or non-implicated diesel VW be any less valuable now than before?
4. assuming a suitable fix can be found that does not impact performance etc. why would an impacted diesel VW be that much less valuable than before?
5. they don't need money
6. this isn't like the Toyota thing which was, at least allegedly, a safety issue. This is ultimately a very technical emissions issue that most people would never notice. Some people might get their nickers up in a knot (XTraction types) but I would wager those folks represent a small part of VW's customer demographic anyway
7. rebuilding the brand and buring this is what they need to do, and reducing MSRP or offering incentives is definitely not the way to do that
8. they still don't need money

huh? did you miss the heavy discount VW is offering? up to $10k on the CC alone...

[OliverD]

huh? did you miss the heavy discount VW is offering? up to $10k on the CC alone...

They were offering $7k even before diesel gate.