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If the minimum wage goes up from $11.00 to $15.00 (36% increase), should the people already making $15.00 get a raise to $20.40 (36% increase)? Or do they just become minimum wage earners?
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If the minimum wage goes up from $11.00 to $15.00 (36% increase), should the people already making $15.00 get a raise to $20.40 (36% increase)? Or do they just become minimum wage earners?

VERY good question, although I think we both know the answer to that question.  It might be mandated that min wage is increased, but no increase to those already making above it.  Great point Cord. 
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If the minimum wage goes up from $11.00 to $15.00 (36% increase), should the people already making $15.00 get a raise to $20.40 (36% increase)? Or do they just become minimum wage earners?

Does it matter if they don't?  "Minimum wage earners" - sounds like you're giving it a negative connotation.

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If the minimum wage goes up from $11.00 to $15.00 (36% increase), should the people already making $15.00 get a raise to $20.40 (36% increase)? Or do they just become minimum wage earners?

Does it matter if they don't?  "Minimum wage earners" - sounds like you're giving it a negative connotation.

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If the minimum wage goes up from $11.00 to $15.00 (36% increase), should the people already making $15.00 get a raise to $20.40 (36% increase)? Or do they just become minimum wage earners?

Does it matter if they don't?  "Minimum wage earners" - sounds like you're giving it a negative connotation.

Of course it could matter. If you received raises because of good job performance to move up to $15 from the starting point of $11, it's not hard to imagine some bitter feelings if suddenly everybody makes what you make.

Only you can determine what "minimum wage earners" sounds like. I meant it as a clear factual statement - those that earn the lowest possible wage.

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^ Agreed.  Good way to demoralize the staff that earned it in the first place. 
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Minimum wages have never had an rules about raising other wages accordingly.  So, it's up to individual companies.  When we raised the wage in the past, what happened to the people that weren't earning minimum wage and now were?  What happened to the people earning above minimum wage?

Minimum wages have been raised recently in some places in the US.  What has been the consequences?  Earthquakes and the sky falling?

I will agree though that I feel it's not the most effective policy for alleviating poverty.  The poorest people usually aren't working.

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Minimum wages have never had an rules about raising other wages accordingly.  So, it's up to individual companies.  When we raised the wage in the past, what happened to the people that weren't earning minimum wage and now were?  What happened to the people earning above minimum wage?

Well, of course there are no rules about it. But it is a foreseeable consequence. And one that is never admitted to by those that promote raising minimum wages by large increments. I have read a lot about how minimum wage only really affects a small portion of the work force so the increased cost will be minimal. But what about the added costs to companies when every wage strata now wants a raise to maintain relative wages? The dollar costs or the morale costs? Never even mentioned as a possibility.



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There's a lot of data showing that raising the minimum wage stimulates the economy. Over a longer timeframe wages end up adjusted upwards for everyone.

But it can't happen without ditching free trade with countries with extremely low wages, no environmental or labour laws.
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There's a lot of data showing that raising the minimum wage stimulates the economy. Over a longer timeframe wages end up adjusted upwards for everyone.

But it can't happen without ditching free trade with countries with extremely low wages, no environmental or labour laws.

Which, in a world that includes the WTO and things like TPP is unlikely to happen. Even if Canada tried to roll back agreements now, we'd likely get smacked down at the WTO.

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There's a lot of data showing that raising the minimum wage stimulates the economy. Over a longer timeframe wages end up adjusted upwards for everyone.

But it can't happen without ditching free trade with countries with extremely low wages, no environmental or labour laws.

Which, in a world that includes the WTO and things like TPP is unlikely to happen. Even if Canada tried to roll back agreements now, we'd likely get smacked down at the WTO.

The WTO is in a bit of a mess at the moment anyway. It wouldn't take much to cause it to fray completely. It's been basically hijacked by objectivists. Probably time to detonate it.

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raising minimum wage definitely stimulates the economy... all of a sudden a bunch of people who now would make 15/hr will come to me to finance a laramie ram 1500 for 8 years and nothing down... and now, they'll get approved, since they live at the parents and have no rent....

super! at least i'll make more and not do goofy crap with it.

that type of finance "growth" is just like a pyramid scheme... eventually it topples. plus, if everyone's wages (not just minimum) jump, so will prices... no real growth happens.
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My view is simply that anyone working full-time deserves to have the basics covered. I'd be happy to see their income elevated, adjusted for regional differences, to achieve this. Despite my generally conservative position on economic issues, I think it's shameful to have poverty levels that we do in a developed country like Canada. We can afford, if we choose, to ensure that no one has to freeze their ass off out in the cold while going hungry in this country. Probably would cost us less than healthcare, policing, incarceration, etc. that we're paying now. Think hand-up not hand-out...except for the most destitute.

As for people who are making thirty-something grand a year who'd have their noses out of joint if low income earners received a salary boost, I say try harder for goodness sake, is that the best you've got? Quit whining! ...conservative, remember?

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FCA to strike Wednesday..
« Reply #93 on: October 06, 2015, 06:00:17 pm »
UAW Fiat-Chrysler workers vow to strike on Wednesday.

Will be interesting to see which of the two titans blinks first...

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between those two?.... man... i picture something like this..... "der..... "