Topic: UAW members turn down Fiat Chrysler tentative agreement, move a step closer to strike position

[Autos_Editor]

Back to the bargaining table
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[Noto]

Unions need to die.

[Fobroader]

Ok, so everyone wave bye bye to Chrysler.....

[Snowman]

[safristi]

Damn...I was sure C'apn Marchionne was gonna form a triumvirate with GM,

 Ford and 
his PICTURE....just like the three pronged Maserati thang OR is that the Devil of the deep blue sea..
...NEPTUNE  the devils wing man...some thing feeshy is goin' on @ FIAT headquarters  Jeep yer antenna tuna'ed

[Fobroader]

Exactly....repeat after me Marchionne.....gracias, dos cerveza por favor, donde este el banyo 

[northsparrow]

Good for the UAW members for sending a clear message to FCA and especially to the floundering leadership of their own union.

Marchionne himself is on the record saying that paying two workers different wages for doing exactly the same job is unethical.

The UAW and FCA were obviously ignoring his comments when they agreed to perpetuate the Two Tier wage system for 4 more years. UAW members have just reminded
them that they expect fair and equal pay that reflects the huge profits workers generate for FCA shareholders.

Auto sales are booming in the USA and Canada. Corporate profits are at record levels yet some posters still believe workers should get screwed and cheer at the thought of even more
good jobs lost to a nearly lawless narco-state.

Sad.

[RunsinLight]

I'm on the fence here with this one regarding the pay system.   However, if I was an autoworker my first goal would  be to give the company as little reasons to move the plant elsewhere as I can.

Good for the UAW members for sending a clear message to FCA and especially to the floundering leadership of their own union.

Marchionne himself is on the record saying that paying two workers different wages for doing exactly the same job is unethical.

The UAW and FCA were obviously ignoring his comments when they agreed to perpetuate the Two Tier wage system for 4 more years. UAW members have just reminded
them that they expect fair and equal pay that reflects the huge profits workers generate for FCA shareholders.

Auto sales are booming in the USA and Canada. Corporate profits are at record levels yet some posters still believe workers should get screwed and cheer at the thought of even more
good jobs lost to a nearly lawless narco-state.

Sad.

[Kris78]

While this sort of action by the union doesn't help matters, it isn't just labour costs that are pushing automakers to Mexico. I'm sure energy prices don't help either.

Still- especially as it relates to the auto sector - I wish unions and automakers would find better ways to come to agreements in a way that both the automaker and worker can benefit. Canada, Ontario in particular, has the some of the  best educated and trained workers in the OECD. Trouble is, the automotive world is the very definition of globalization. Having the best workers isn't enough to keep all those jobs here.

As for the record profits - those are needed now to help pay for all the R&D to build cars and trucks to meet ever more stringent safety, emissions, and efficiency needs.

This is the part of the auto industry that I find depressing. At least my car was assembled in Ontario...

[Thinking Out Loud]

Given the Union supported the plan (as I understood it), it's the members that are being short sighted I think. 

• $18.00 an hour with gradual increases as a newbie autoworker and the opportunity for a long career with benefits, versus
  
• relatively near-immediate equalization hourly rate and the likelihood you'll be unemployed in 24 months

As long as the corporate profitability-sharing question is addressed in a bonus structure (assuming there is one)....it seems balanced.

On the surface, it would appear the Union's approach seemed balanced...the members are looking for blood and (unfortunately) can't seem to comprehend there will only be one party bleeding in the end.

[rrocket]

Auto sales are booming in the USA and Canada. Corporate profits are at record levels yet some posters still believe workers should get screwed and cheer at the thought of even more
good jobs lost to a nearly lawless narco-state.

Sad.

It's not that we think they should be screwed. It's we think with unrealistic demands for what is unskilled labor will eventually price themselves out of the market...right into the open arms of some other country.

Keep asking for professional or skilled trade wages for unskilled labor and some auto company will pull the plug some day.


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[Snowman]

Auto sales are booming in the USA and Canada. Corporate profits are at record levels yet some posters still believe workers should get screwed and cheer at the thought of even more
good jobs lost to a nearly lawless narco-state.

Sad.

It's not that we think they should be screwed. It's we think with unrealistic demands for what is unskilled labor will eventually price themselves out of the market...right into the open arms of some other country.

Keep asking for professional or skilled trade wages for unskilled labor and some auto company will pull the plug some day.


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Exactly, why is this difficult to understand?

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Auto sales are booming in the USA and Canada. Corporate profits are at record levels yet some posters still believe workers should get screwed and cheer at the thought of even more
good jobs lost to a nearly lawless narco-state.

Sad.

It's not that we think they should be screwed. It's we think with unrealistic demands for what is unskilled labor will eventually price themselves out of the market...right into the open arms of some other country.

Keep asking for professional or skilled trade wages for unskilled labor and some auto company will pull the plug some day.


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Exactly, why is this difficult to understand?

Skilled/unskilled doesn't make the slightest bit of difference. There are very few sectors when automation or cheaper labour can't be found. People who think otherwise are just whistling past the graveyard.

[rrocket]

Auto sales are booming in the USA and Canada. Corporate profits are at record levels yet some posters still believe workers should get screwed and cheer at the thought of even more
good jobs lost to a nearly lawless narco-state.

Sad.

It's not that we think they should be screwed. It's we think with unrealistic demands for what is unskilled labor will eventually price themselves out of the market...right into the open arms of some other country.

Keep asking for professional or skilled trade wages for unskilled labor and some auto company will pull the plug some day.


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Exactly, why is this difficult to understand?

Skilled/unskilled doesn't make the slightest bit of difference. There are very few sectors when automation or cheaper labour can't be found. People who think otherwise are just whistling past the graveyard.

It absolutely does matter. Should a janitor at your business make the same as a PEng. who had to go to school for 4 years? Certainly not.  Why not? Because not everybody can do the PEng job as it takes special skills and education, but anybody can do the janitor job. Same with auto assemblers.

And because of this global economy, sad to say, they are competing against 3rd world countries. Now if I was the union, I certainly wouldn't be giving them reason to even contemplate moving. The math has been done already. If the Windsor minivan plant moves to Mexico, they stand to save a minimum of $500 million in labor costs per year. PER YEAR. For one plant. That number can't be ignored forever. The automaker is not a social "make work" program. They are in it for maximum profit and nothing more.

In your utopia (or a communist country) everyone gets paid the same regardless of job. But that's not reality here...however much you want to whine or dream about it.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

And who said they should make the same?

Start at a floor and work up. The stupidity is starting at the top and compressing wages down.

And when it comes to janitorial work, that has to be done locally. Engineering? My last company already has Indian offices that they are moving work to. They charge out the same, but the Indian engineers make Indian wages the company pockets the difference. The clients are oblivious because the PMs are good old Canadian boys.

[johngenx]

And once again people cheering for Canadian workers to earn less.  That's GREAT for the economy.

 

[tpl]

IIRC it is nearer 6 years for PEng.  4 year degree than working in a suitable job 'under the supervision of a PEng' for 2 years.   We had a guy came to work for us with a degree in engineering and I discovered that our division of the company had no PEng on staff... not surprising as we not in any way an engineering company.  The guy ended up leaving fairly soon.

[CanuckS2K]

And once again people cheering for Canadian workers to earn less.  That's GREAT for the economy.

 

On the opposite end, manufacturing plants moving out of Canada to other Countries where labour is cheaper isn't great for the Canadian economy either. 

[tenpenny]

Once the TPP is signed, it's game over anyway.


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[rrocket]

And once again people cheering for Canadian workers to earn less.  That's GREAT for the economy.

 

On the opposite end, manufacturing plants moving out of Canada to other Countries where labour is cheaper isn't great for the Canadian economy either.

I don't see anyone cheering.  I see people here seeing the writing on the wall with unions pricing themselves out of existence.

I wish CAW members could make $100 an hour.  But they can't and still be competitive with other countries/plants.