Vans in mid $30k's is much more reasonable for comfortable, efficient motoring. Another concern: I wish they would make the regular length minivans still, but they all make the "Grand" style now. If they could just shorten them by 10 inches, and offer us both types. Those who want a Grand Caravan/Odyssey/Sienna, can get it, and those who don't could get the regular one. Were the shorter versions of minivans such poor sellers that they've been discontinued?