Topic: Electric Vehicle News Thread

[revalations]

It’s pretty easy to act like a big shot and throw down a small “reservation” deposit for an upcoming product. I think GM only wanted $100 to reserve a Hummer EV. Then you could jump on social media and brag about the deposit you put down.

[Allen]

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/electric-18-wheelers-are-even-stupider-than-electric-cars/ar-BB1jneKr?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=82c70ee6696644bda015727b7e80a141&ei=13

[Haywood Dudes]

Don't forget the one from KIA...

Every day when I walk into the Automotive shop Ottawa way, I hear about my buddies KIA... Talk started 15 months ago.

I would love to see it.

 

[rrocket]

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/electric-18-wheelers-are-even-stupider-than-electric-cars/ar-BB1jneKr?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=82c70ee6696644bda015727b7e80a141&ei=13

The other thing not mentioned is you have to make more trips to deliver the same amount of goods.

If an ICE truck weighs 30,000 (tractor+ trailer) then you can move 50,000 pounds of goods. (trucks have 80,000 GVWR)

Since the EV trucks weigh more, they're all at a cargo deficit of 5,000-10,000+ pounds per load even though their GVWR is 82,000

[Blueprint]

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/electric-18-wheelers-are-even-stupider-than-electric-cars/ar-BB1jneKr?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=82c70ee6696644bda015727b7e80a141&ei=13

The other thing not mentioned is you have to make more trips to deliver the same amount of goods.

If an ICE truck weighs 30,000 (tractor+ trailer) then you can move 50,000 pounds of goods. (trucks have 80,000 GVWR)

Since the EV trucks weigh more, they're all at a cargo deficit of 5,000-10,000+ pounds per load even though their GVWR is 82,000

There's logic for electric day cabs, for short hauls, as in port operations. Long haulers, not as much - I aggree. Electric trucks and buses are getting traction here (of course). The port of Los Angeles is working also hard with Toyota on fuel cell trucks.

[rrocket]

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/electric-18-wheelers-are-even-stupider-than-electric-cars/ar-BB1jneKr?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=82c70ee6696644bda015727b7e80a141&ei=13

The other thing not mentioned is you have to make more trips to deliver the same amount of goods.

If an ICE truck weighs 30,000 (tractor+ trailer) then you can move 50,000 pounds of goods. (trucks have 80,000 GVWR)

Since the EV trucks weigh more, they're all at a cargo deficit of 5,000-10,000+ pounds per load even though their GVWR is 82,000

There's logic for electric day cabs, for short hauls, as in port operations.

Agreed 100 percent.

Local or regional they'd excel. Maybe construction too (dump trucks, etc)

[warp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatJvlbv5zc

According to this researcher who has worked the numbers in terms of total cost of ownership of EVs vs ICE, the number of kilometers needed for EVs to breakeven given their typically higher purchase price, varies quite dramatically depending on the province. As expected Quebec is the lowest, (highest subsidies and cheapest electricity), with the break even point at 46 km a day for 7 years i.e. 117,530 km, BC is next with 64 km a day for 7 years i.e. 163,520 km, Ontario is at 88 km a day for 7 years i.e. 224,840 and in the north areas of Canada it does not make sense to own an EV.

[Blueprint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatJvlbv5zc

According to this researcher who has worked the numbers in terms of total cost of ownership of EVs vs ICE, the number of kilometers needed for EVs to breakeven given their typically higher purchase price, varies quite dramatically depending on the province. As expected Quebec is the lowest, (highest subsidies and cheapest electricity), with the break even point at 46 km a day for 7 years i.e. 117,530 km, BC is next with 64 km a day for 7 years i.e. 163,520 km, Ontario is at 88 km a day for 7 years i.e. 224,840 and in the north areas of Canada it does not make sense to own an EV.

As you know I did my own math and for me it did not make sense to go EV. True that I was comparing a Polestar 2 to loaded compacts, but that's for lack of anything entry level in the EV world (the math worked for the Bolt, but delays were nuts).

[rrocket]

According to this researcher who has worked the numbers in terms of total cost of ownership of EVs vs ICE, the number of kilometers needed for EVs to breakeven given their typically higher purchase price, varies quite dramatically depending on the province. As expected Quebec is the lowest, (highest subsidies and cheapest electricity), with the break even point at 46 km a day for 7 years i.e. 117,530 km, BC is next with 64 km a day for 7 years i.e. 163,520 km, Ontario is at 88 km a day for 7 years i.e. 224,840 and in the north areas of Canada it does not make sense to own an EV.

I did this on the forum, with math, when the Volt first came out. And using NRCAN figures for average driving, the ROI on the Volt (without rebates) was 14 years in most places.

[rrocket]

 (the math worked for the Bolt, but delays were nuts).

Yea! The math didn't work for my Prime if I bought it in Ontario.

But when bought in Quebec, it was the same price as a "normal" Prius in Ontario.

So I bought in Quebec!

[Allen]

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/japanese-still-not-interested-in-electric-cars-or-plug-in-vehicles/ar-BB1iNtTB?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=c416b31b298543ca92f7d1a9a75e7c2e&ei=79

[rrocket]

Canada doesn't need more carbon taxes....

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/18/climate/air-pollution-report-2023-asia-climate-intl-hnk/index.html

[warp]

Canada doesn't need more carbon taxes....

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/18/climate/air-pollution-report-2023-asia-climate-intl-hnk/index.html

From the article:

North America was badly affected by wildfires that raged in Canada from May to October last year. In May, the monthly average of air pollution in Alberta was nine times greater than the same month in 2022, the report found.

And for the first time, Canada surpassed the United States in the regional pollution rankings.

So the US without a carbon tax is moving in the right direction. And Canada with a carbon tax had higher pollution than the US!! Of course, the PM and his climate brigade cabinet colleagues will holler, " That means we are not doing enought to fight climate change. Increase the carbon tax to $300/ton with immediate effect".

[Allen]

Very sad 
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/news/ferrari-s-evs-won-t-be-silent/ar-BB1kepso?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=c054ba4ec3da46cdb7309cd6de0adc7b&ei=17

[revalations]

2016 vehicle with 60,000 km. Off to the junkyard! Have to wonder with all these EV’s having new and improved batteries every so often if they’ll be any support whatsoever for these as they age.

"Electric cars are supposed to be sustainable, they're supposed to be environmentally friendly, but they want you to squash your car after 10 years and buy a new one — if it lasts that long“

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/leaf-nissan-owners-legal-action-battery-service-1.7148537

[Allen]

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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/research/dodge-s-dilemma-how-to-sell-an-ev-to-buyers-who-don-t-want-them/ar-BB1jvVcS?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=678a201e7d12401aa7e4068935ee061f&ei=63

[warp]

https://www.autonews.com/mobility-report/every-ev-leads-6000-losses-automakers-bcg-says

Behind a paywall, but the opening blurb is good enough to indicate that EV sales are in deep trouble. The Boston Consulting Group says that current consumer expectations of EVs are a 20 minute charge time, a 350 mile range and a $50,000 price. Only ONE EV sold currently meets that threshold!!



https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bakx-ceraweek-toyota-ford-2024-bev-1.7149318

Even CBC, the Government's mouthpiece, says that EV sales are slowing. Trouble in paradise!!

[rrocket]

https://www.autonews.com/mobility-report/every-ev-leads-6000-losses-automakers-bcg-says

Behind a paywall, but the opening blurb is good enough to indicate that EV sales are in deep trouble. The Boston Consulting Group says that current consumer expectations of EVs are a 20 minute charge time, a 350 mile range and a $50,000 price. Only ONE EV sold currently meets that threshold!!



https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bakx-ceraweek-toyota-ford-2024-bev-1.7149318

Even CBC, the Government's mouthpiece, says that EV sales are slowing. Trouble in paradise!!

It will be interesting to see how Dodge does with the new EV Charger.

[ktm525]

Biden doubling down on EVs. People just can't admit they are wrong. 

[Guy]

Many of those on this forum!