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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #80 on: February 04, 2015, 09:44:57 pm »
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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #81 on: February 05, 2015, 09:04:53 am »
First pic side\front profile reminded me of the Mitsu Evo.

Anyone familiar with the Ford AWD system that will be on the Focus RS ?. For this car to compete with the STI is better have something like torque vectoring included in it's workings.
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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2015, 09:18:57 am »
To put it plainly, the only "affordable" (stock) new car that has tickled my goat enough for me to consider signing on the dotted line in the past year is Subaru's new STI. If my Genesis had indeed sold when I first listed it, I'm pretty sure I'd have bought one in the spring.

The one thing that held me back from it was the lack of a hatchback/wagon model. If there had been a hatchback model, I would have just traded the Genny in, no questions asked. Take my credit!!!

An uncle of mine in HK rocked a Cosworth Escort in the '90s and I remember falling in love with it then. Prior to that, I was in love with your standard fare Skyline, Silvia, Supra, Z car, etc. With the release of the Focus RS, my dream daily driver has just been created. A sharp looking hatchback that'll EASILY attain just over 300-AWHP with a few mild hop ups. Plus, the ability to buy and drive an RS in Canada is like a fantasy come true... It'll feel much the same as being able to buy a Civic Type R here (I'm still hoping Honda brings it over after a few years... but I'm not holding my breath).

If it comes in under 50K with options and all that... I'm ready to sign on the dotted line.

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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #84 on: February 05, 2015, 09:22:41 am »
First pic side\front profile reminded me of the Mitsu Evo.

Anyone familiar with the Ford AWD system that will be on the Focus RS ?. For this car to compete with the STI is better have something like torque vectoring included in it's workings.

Yes, it will have a fancy active torque-vectoring system via lots of geared gizmos and all that. It's in the article(s). It'll be a little more advanced than the STI''s system (not that there's anything wrong with the STI's system).

From the press release:

"Innovative Ford Performance All-Wheel Drive offers a new level of handling

The all-new Focus RS exploits innovative new Ford Performance All-Wheel Drive with Dynamic Torque Vectoring to deliver a new level of handling capability and driver enjoyment, combining outstanding traction and grip with exciting agility and cornering speed.

The Ford Performance All-Wheel-Drive system is based on twin electronically controlled clutch packs on each side of the rear drive unit. These manage the car’s front/rear torque split, and can control the side-to-side torque distribution on the rear axle – delivering the “torque vectoring” capability that has a dramatic impact on handling and cornering stability.

The control unit in the rear drive unit continuously varies the front/rear and side-to-side torque distribution to suit the current driving situation, monitoring inputs from multiple vehicle sensors 100 times per second. A maximum of 70 per cent of the drive torque can be diverted to the rear axle. Up to 100 per cent of available torque at the rear axle can be sent to each rear wheel.

During cornering, the rear drive unit pre-emptively diverts torque to the outer rear wheel immediately based on inputs such as steering wheel angle, lateral acceleration, yaw and speed. This torque transfer has the effect of “driving” the car into the bend, achieving improved turn-in and stability, and virtually eliminating understeer.

The AWD system has been tuned to deliver exceptional grip – with lateral acceleration exceeding 1 g – and great cornering speed and acceleration out of a bend. With neutral and adjustable limit handling, and the ability to achieve controlled oversteer drifts at the track, Focus RS delivers an exceptional fun-to-drive experience.

To deliver optimum driving dynamics, the Ford Performance All-Wheel-Drive system was calibrated alongside the car’s advanced Electronic Stability Control, in particular the brake-based Torque Vectoring Control system that works in parallel with the torque-vectoring AWD. Other exclusive chassis features include sports suspension with spring rates, bushings and antiroll bars – all of which are stiffer than those found in Focus ST, and two-mode switchable dampers, which offer a firmer setting for track driving. A carefully tuned electric power-assisted steering system working in combination with a more rigid front suspension knuckle design and shorter-link arms delivers connected and responsive steering with outstanding feel."

TL;DR version: Yes. It will and it will be a riot-inducing good time. Giddyup!
« Last Edit: February 05, 2015, 09:24:41 am by ronniefung »

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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #86 on: February 05, 2015, 11:00:26 am »
And some might poo-poo Subaru for using brake-powered torque vectoring vs clutch pack engaged, but in reality it makes little difference.  When initiating a turn in the STi, the vectoring REALLY works.  It's the first STi where you feel like the chassis is well ahead of the power level.  It feels like you could put 400, 450, maybe 500hp under the hood without having to change much else.

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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #87 on: February 05, 2015, 11:15:17 am »
And some might poo-poo Subaru for using brake-powered torque vectoring vs clutch pack engaged, but in reality it makes little difference.  When initiating a turn in the STi, the vectoring REALLY works.  It's the first STi where you feel like the chassis is well ahead of the power level.  It feels like you could put 400, 450, maybe 500hp under the hood without having to change much else.

I fully agree. That's why I wrote there's nothing wrong with Subaru's system. I don't care much for specs on paper, I care about real-world applications and the STI is a road course weapon. As I said before, if it came in a hatch, it'd be my daily/PT track toy right now.


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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #88 on: February 05, 2015, 11:18:02 am »
I really regret driving the '15 STi 'cause now I really really want one.  I vow to stay the hell away from the Focus RS 'cause I'm not sure I wouldn't be able to not buy one.  I love these types of cars.

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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #89 on: February 05, 2015, 12:29:54 pm »
And some might poo-poo Subaru for using brake-powered torque vectoring vs clutch pack engaged, but in reality it makes little difference.  When initiating a turn in the STi, the vectoring REALLY works.  It's the first STi where you feel like the chassis is well ahead of the power level.  It feels like you could put 400, 450, maybe 500hp under the hood without having to change much else.

I fully agree. That's why I wrote there's nothing wrong with Subaru's system. I don't care much for specs on paper, I care about real-world applications and the STI is a road course weapon. As I said before, if it came in a hatch, it'd be my daily/PT track toy right now.

I'd like to see a comparo between an EVO with a 2015 STi re: handling. S-AWC really showed the benefits over mechanical diffs and since the intro of brake systems for torque vectoring I've always wondered if a rear-pusher like on the S-AWC or SH-AWD would be better, similar or worse than a front puller like the 2015 STi.

Based on driving conventions you'd want your front tires to have as much traction as possible in a turn and if they are being pushed (accelerating) or pulled (braking) then there is less traction available so you'd think theoretically rear pushers would be a better setup to maximize handling.
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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #90 on: February 05, 2015, 12:33:37 pm »
The DCCD system in the STi is 41/59 F/R in "normal" operating conditions.
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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #91 on: February 05, 2015, 07:21:55 pm »
And some might poo-poo Subaru for using brake-powered torque vectoring vs clutch pack engaged, but in reality it makes little difference.  When initiating a turn in the STi, the vectoring REALLY works.  It's the first STi where you feel like the chassis is well ahead of the power level.  It feels like you could put 400, 450, maybe 500hp under the hood without having to change much else.

I fully agree. That's why I wrote there's nothing wrong with Subaru's system. I don't care much for specs on paper, I care about real-world applications and the STI is a road course weapon. As I said before, if it came in a hatch, it'd be my daily/PT track toy right now.

I'd like to see a comparo between an EVO with a 2015 STi re: handling. S-AWC really showed the benefits over mechanical diffs and since the intro of brake systems for torque vectoring I've always wondered if a rear-pusher like on the S-AWC or SH-AWD would be better, similar or worse than a front puller like the 2015 STi.

Based on driving conventions you'd want your front tires to have as much traction as possible in a turn and if they are being pushed (accelerating) or pulled (braking) then there is less traction available so you'd think theoretically rear pushers would be a better setup to maximize handling.

The new TL SH-AWD is not getting great reviews of its handling capabilities due to heavy under-steering the AWD system is just not able to overcome. Weight balance is a big factor needing to be considered. I think a pusher system (RWD biased -which SH-AWD is not by the way) able to transfer torque to the front when needed is the best design.

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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #92 on: February 05, 2015, 07:47:22 pm »
The Focus RS and Golf R are two of the cars I'm most interested to test drive (300+ hp AWD smallish sport hatch).

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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #93 on: February 06, 2015, 01:04:38 pm »
I think a pusher system (RWD biased -which SH-AWD is not by the way) able to transfer torque to the front when needed is the best design.

Did Acura change how their SH-AWD works? Its always had side-to-side torque distribution along the rear axle. That's what I mean by "rear pusher" in the context of torque vectoring, being increased torque to the rear axle's outside wheel, rather than straight out RWD (with no torque vectoring).

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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #94 on: February 07, 2015, 01:33:29 pm »
I think a pusher system (RWD biased -which SH-AWD is not by the way) able to transfer torque to the front when needed is the best design.

Did Acura change how their SH-AWD works? Its always had side-to-side torque distribution along the rear axle. That's what I mean by "rear pusher" in the context of torque vectoring, being increased torque to the rear axle's outside wheel, rather than straight out RWD (with no torque vectoring).

Actually Acura did improve the control of the SH-AWD system. It is just that we have a different interpretation of what is a "pusher" system :).  To me a "pusher" system is one that start with more rear wheel torque than the front.

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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #96 on: March 25, 2015, 01:40:22 pm »
It seems to be missing a few grills to make sure chunks of road debris don't mangle the intercooler / radiator. 

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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #97 on: March 25, 2015, 01:43:24 pm »
It seems to be missing a few grills to make sure chunks of road debris don't mangle the intercooler / radiator.

Nothing a bit of chicken wire and zip ties wont fix  ;D
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Re: Ford Reveals Ridiculous All-New AWD Focus RS, 315+ HP - Hide Yo' Kids
« Reply #98 on: March 25, 2015, 02:29:57 pm »
Wow, the new STi Hatch is HOT!  Wait, whut, that's not the new STi?  It's a Focus?  Whaaaa?

Ford drinks Subaru's milkshake.