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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2014, 05:42:31 pm »
The Legacy sedan has never been a strong seller.  Subaru keeps it for the US market mostly.  The OBW and Forester contribute real margins and the Impreza gives them an entry level decent-volume model.

Mazda confuses me.  They seem to want to take Toyota head on, adding mini-vans and so on, then they switch to being a niche player, and back and forth.  Subaru has "stuck to their knitting" and played the niche role, and played it well.

It's given Subaru a marketing message that Mazda doesn't have.  The identity.

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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2014, 06:02:56 pm »

In terms of family sedans.  Even with the better marketing, the outstanding features (AWD), the available 6 cylinder engine, the Mazda6 still sells more than the Legacy.  So it seems to be a combination of things of why the 6 isn't selling well. 

Because it makes no sense, people say the 6 is doing bad because it doesn't have a V6, bad marketing, and no AWD.  So if the Legacy has all this, why doesn't it sell well?

Last month in the US, the Legacy outsold the Mazda 6 by 1935 (6198 vs 4263). But even that was pretty piddling compared to 15k Malibus, 21k Fusions or 32k Accords. Mazda is still ahead of the Legacy by 7k YTD, but it might be pretty close by the end of the year.
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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2014, 06:39:22 am »
The Mazda6 just seemed underpowered when I drove it with the automatic trans. There just seemed to be a real lag in power. I wasn't impressed. I drove the Accord in both manual and CVT. Both seemed more responsive than the Mazda6, especially the 6 speed manual Accord. That's the one to get. The two drive trains look the same on paper, but not in the real world. I would like to try the Mazda6 manual, but good luck finding one. In fact good luck finding any selection of Mazda6. The local dealer rarely carries any, so selection of colour, trans, mdels etc. just isn't there. If I go up the road to the Honda dealer they usually have every combination available, including 2 door coupes, 6 speed manuals (among the best you can buy), and V6 models. Now, who's the real zoom zoom? Why would someone bother with a Mazda6 when you can get the first two levels of Accord (LX and Sport) for either less or around the same price. The Accord Sport is a great looking car and now comes with a sunroof standard for 2015. Name one thing the Mazda6 does better?

The same good selection is available at Ford, who have an extensive dealer system around the province. They also offer incentives. Mazda acts like they're cars are in demand when you look for a deal. Then you have Toyota. The Camry hasn't kept up in my opionion, but they keep selling, and have a reputation for reliability that people like.

Bottom line is, the Mazda6, despite universal media praise, good looks and handling is an unmitigated sales disaster.


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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2014, 09:12:23 am »
If the 2014 Fusion uses the same 6F35 transmission as my 2010 then I am running away as far and fast as I can.  Mine has never left me on the side of the road yet despite the tranny issues.  I will give Ford credit that they build a solid feeling car that is very quiet to drive.

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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2014, 09:25:34 am »
   I thought that the review, especially the video was right on for these two. Who cares...power enough and very similar urge in this direction...from different routes. The comparo was very valid in this regard for choosing a turbo or not. I might choose the Fusion over the 6 because of a more comfortable ride...at my stage...the handling being more than nice, seemingly, even if a bit less sporty. With the caveat that AWD space reducing frame might nix the choosing when only FWD is wanted...presumably you get the same un-wanted, space robbing, frame attributes. The Mazdas' that I have some knowledge of, have had and have, very 'constantly smooth' engines which possibly applies to most cars in these days of engine wizardry. If the turbo Ford is a match in this regard, then the flat torque low urge might be of import. Still, the Mazda was noted for pep in the video. Consumption seems to be 'much of a muchness'. I like the Fusion styling over the Mazda's...possibly because I don't like cycle fender simulation...perhaps not overly emphasized here though. Both are stylish IMO.
   I think that this review gives those interested here, the kind of information that they need. Power, speed freaks, and parking lot drifting don't apply.

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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #45 on: October 15, 2014, 09:32:03 am »
The Mazda6 just seemed underpowered when I drove it with the automatic trans. There just seemed to be a real lag in power. I wasn't impressed. I drove the Accord in both manual and CVT.
The Mazda's engine is by far better than the Honda's, IMO...but Honda's CVT absolutely demolishes Mazda's 6-speed auto.  Say what you will, folks, but the CVT is much better technology when it comes to smoothness, power delivery, and fuel economy.

...and the Accord is dead to me on the lack of a split-folding rear seatback alone.  If I go skiing, the Accord becomes a 2-seater unless I get a roof rack (which I dislike putting on/taking off when necessary - and leaving it on all season/all year is ludicrous for fuel economy/drag).

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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #46 on: October 15, 2014, 09:44:27 am »
I've seen a number of Fusions around town, but very rarely do I see a 6.  I prefer the more understated look of the Fusion and the Titanium trim still catches my eye, and Fusion is priced significantly better.  Also the 6 seems a bit small inside for my 6'3" frame, the roomiest mid sizer out there for me being the Passat.   That being said they are both good sedans, and stand out among their competition.

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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #47 on: October 15, 2014, 10:48:20 am »
It would be no contest between these two for me.  6 all the way.  Best looking sedan in the midsize class and way better looking than the Fusion inside and out.  Plus it's one of the few class entries that you can get with a manuual and also have whatever toys / trim you want to go along with it.  Sexy looks, sporty handling, impressive fuel economy.  Sorely wish it were available with more grunt.  It's not Regal-slow, but it would be so much more entertaining with a powerplant that put out more than merely adequate motivation.
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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #48 on: October 15, 2014, 11:31:25 am »
Canadian sales to the end of September:

Mazda 6 - 255; YTD - 2,428
Ford Fusion - 1,455; YTD - 14,508

As someone mentioned earlier, I would suspect the Mazda 6 is loosing out to the Mazda 3 when customers go into the dealership.
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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #49 on: October 15, 2014, 11:35:05 am »
Canadian sales to the end of September:

Mazda 6 - 255; YTD - 2,428
Ford Fusion - 1,455; YTD - 14,508

As someone mentioned earlier, I would suspect the M6 is loosing out to the M3 when customers go into the dealership.

Sorry, but can we please not use these confusing names? We're not talking about BMWs.

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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #50 on: October 15, 2014, 12:33:40 pm »
Canadian sales to the end of September:

Mazda 6 - 255; YTD - 2,428
Ford Fusion - 1,455; YTD - 14,508

As someone mentioned earlier, I would suspect the M6 is loosing out to the M3 when customers go into the dealership.

Sorry, but can we please not use these confusing names? We're not talking about BMWs.


okay, but who is, BMW doesn't use M in front of their series number, it's classed as a 3 Series or 6 Series, but to make you happy I'll change it.

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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #51 on: October 15, 2014, 12:43:08 pm »
Canadian sales to the end of September:

Mazda 6 - 255; YTD - 2,428
Ford Fusion - 1,455; YTD - 14,508

As someone mentioned earlier, I would suspect the M6 is loosing out to the M3 when customers go into the dealership.

Sorry, but can we please not use these confusing names? We're not talking about BMWs.


okay, but who is, BMW doesn't use M in front of their series number, it's classed as a 3 Series or 6 Series, but to make you happy I'll change it.

Seriously?  You don't think "M3" isn't the ICONIC BMW nameplate?

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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #52 on: October 15, 2014, 01:08:44 pm »
Canadian sales to the end of September:

Mazda 6 - 255; YTD - 2,428
Ford Fusion - 1,455; YTD - 14,508

As someone mentioned earlier, I would suspect the M6 is loosing out to the M3 when customers go into the dealership.

Sorry, but can we please not use these confusing names? We're not talking about BMWs.


okay, but who is, BMW doesn't use M in front of their series number, it's classed as a 3 Series or 6 Series, but to make you happy I'll change it.

Seriously?  You don't think "M3" isn't the ICONIC BMW nameplate?

never entered my mind as I thought were talking about Mazda's and Ford's.  ;D

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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #53 on: October 15, 2014, 01:33:33 pm »
It's not Regal-slow, but it would be so much more entertaining with a powerplant that put out more than merely adequate motivation.

Yeah. It's slooooooower.  :rofl:
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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #54 on: October 15, 2014, 02:02:14 pm »
It would be no contest between these two for me.  6 all the way.  Best looking sedan in the midsize class and way better looking than the Fusion inside and out.  Plus it's one of the few class entries that you can get with a manuual and also have whatever toys / trim you want to go along with it.  Sexy looks, sporty handling, impressive fuel economy.  Sorely wish it were available with more grunt.  It's not Regal-slow, but it would be so much more entertaining with a powerplant that put out more than merely adequate motivation.

Yes, it is one of the few to have a manual across different trim levels - including the top end. Two of the other choices are the Accord (4 cylinder models) and Passat. That is some pretty stiff competition.

But c'mon, Regal-slow? You know all Regal models have the 2.0L turbo now, right? They are not slow. In fact, a Mazda 6 with its smooth manual, but with the GM 2.0T would be pretty freaking awesome!

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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #55 on: October 15, 2014, 06:03:57 pm »
^^^ Have you driven the Regal? I'm not talking the GS. It's pretty pathetic. Engine makes decent power but the transmission doesn't want to let it play. Result is slow as hell unless you have your foot through the firewall. I'd take the 6 over that, too.

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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #56 on: October 15, 2014, 06:07:08 pm »
Don't mention the Regal. I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it. ;D


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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #57 on: October 15, 2014, 06:11:23 pm »
Oh, and the current 0-60 for the AWD Regal is 6.4 seconds. Not slow.  :rofl2:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1401_2014_buick_regal_turbo_awd_first_test/

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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2014, 06:12:27 pm »
Don't mention the Regal. I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it. ;D



It wouldn't be a problem if you only mentioned it once.   ;D
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Re: Comparison Test: 2015 Mazda6 vs. 2014 Ford Fusion
« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2014, 06:14:08 pm »


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