Topic: Judge Throws Book At Curbsider During Appeal In Ontario

[Fobroader]

Is cleaning ditches, breaking rocks, digging ditches and shoveling out communities considered conducive to prisoners "rehabilitation"?? I dont mean go all "One day in the life of Ivan Denisovich" on the and send them to the arctic, but I think a few years of back breaking physical labor to payback the community would be fair.

[MarkStevenson]

Is cleaning ditches, breaking rocks, digging ditches and shoveling out communities considered conducive to prisoners "rehabilitation"?? I dont mean go all "One day in the life of Ivan Denisovich" on the and send them to the arctic, but I think a few years of back breaking physical labor to payback the community would be fair.

Or at least to provide a service in equal value to the cost of their incarceration.

[Fobroader]

Is cleaning ditches, breaking rocks, digging ditches and shoveling out communities considered conducive to prisoners "rehabilitation"?? I dont mean go all "One day in the life of Ivan Denisovich" on the and send them to the arctic, but I think a few years of back breaking physical labor to payback the community would be fair.

Or at least to provide a service in equal value to the cost of their incarceration.

Sure, just as long as we save some money and they learn the meaning of an honest day of work, Im fine.

[MarkStevenson]

Is cleaning ditches, breaking rocks, digging ditches and shoveling out communities considered conducive to prisoners "rehabilitation"?? I dont mean go all "One day in the life of Ivan Denisovich" on the and send them to the arctic, but I think a few years of back breaking physical labor to payback the community would be fair.

Or at least to provide a service in equal value to the cost of their incarceration.

Sure, just as long as we save some money and they learn the meaning of an honest day of work, Im fine.

"You want your prison food tonight? Well, we have many, many sewer pipes needing first-hand inspection and cleaning."

[Fobroader]

Is cleaning ditches, breaking rocks, digging ditches and shoveling out communities considered conducive to prisoners "rehabilitation"?? I dont mean go all "One day in the life of Ivan Denisovich" on the and send them to the arctic, but I think a few years of back breaking physical labor to payback the community would be fair.

Or at least to provide a service in equal value to the cost of their incarceration.

Sure, just as long as we save some money and they learn the meaning of an honest day of work, Im fine.

"You want your prison food tonight? Well, we have many, many sewer pipes needing first-hand inspection and cleaning."

Exactly, how many elderly people need lawns cut and walks shovelled...you want to eat, you want clothes and access to your family, you have to earn it.

[Ex-airbalancer]

Is cleaning ditches, breaking rocks, digging ditches and shoveling out communities considered conducive to prisoners "rehabilitation"?? I dont mean go all "One day in the life of Ivan Denisovich" on the and send them to the arctic, but I think a few years of back breaking physical labor to payback the community would be fair.

Or at least to provide a service in equal value to the cost of their incarceration.

Sure, just as long as we save some money and they learn the meaning of an honest day of work, Im fine.

"You want your prison food tonight? Well, we have many, many sewer pipes needing first-hand inspection and cleaning."

you want to put companies out of business with using inmates 

[Ex-airbalancer]

Depends on how you pronounce Brigitte...is it Bridge-Eat, or Bridge-Ette?

Bridge-It.    The point is that my name is RIGHT THERE above my avatar.   

I thought he did it on purpose, what with the winky face and all.

Hey!  Leave me out of this!   

STOP IT WITH THE WINKY FACE!   

He should change his name to that 

[Fobroader]

Depends on how you pronounce Brigitte...is it Bridge-Eat, or Bridge-Ette?

Bridge-It.    The point is that my name is RIGHT THERE above my avatar.   

I thought he did it on purpose, what with the winky face and all.

Hey!  Leave me out of this!   

STOP IT WITH THE WINKY FACE!   

He should change his name to that 

That sounds like a really dirty porn star or a really effeminate gang member. 

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Prison labour isn't necessarily a bad idea, but it is very expensive to implement properly. It's also subject to abuse, and the prisoners become a cheap source of essentially slave labour that competes with labour in other industries.

Programs like prison farms have been effective at providing food for the prison population and help with rehabilitation, but those programs have been cut by this government because of costs. It's cheaper to just warehouse people until release than to attempt rehabilitation. Of course recidivism rates go way up, so long term costs go up much higher as the prison population is swelled by repeat offenders.

[Fobroader]

Prison labour isn't necessarily a bad idea, but it is very expensive to implement properly. It's also subject to abuse, and the prisoners become a cheap source of essentially slave labour that competes with labour in other industries.

Programs like prison farms have been effective at providing food for the prison population and help with rehabilitation, but those programs have been cut by this government because of costs. It's cheaper to just warehouse people until release than to attempt rehabilitation. Of course recidivism rates go way up, so long term costs go up much higher as the prison population is swelled by repeat offenders.

How hard is it to put a chain gang together to clean ditches?? Couple of guards with shotguns and they can work all day....hell, if they are lucky they might even get food and water.

[Ex-airbalancer]

Prison labour isn't necessarily a bad idea, but it is very expensive to implement properly. It's also subject to abuse, and the prisoners become a cheap source of essentially slave labour that competes with labour in other industries.

Programs like prison farms have been effective at providing food for the prison population and help with rehabilitation, but those programs have been cut by this government because of costs. It's cheaper to just warehouse people until release than to attempt rehabilitation. Of course recidivism rates go way up, so long term costs go up much higher as the prison population is swelled by repeat offenders.

In the fall time they cut inmates wages for doing cleaning, marking food etc., to save money  , which caused a strike so it cost the government more to bring in people to do the work and cause the guards a lot of extra work since the inmate just sat around all day
It  is a fine line to walk concerning inmates

[MarkStevenson]

Prison labour isn't necessarily a bad idea, but it is very expensive to implement properly. It's also subject to abuse, and the prisoners become a cheap source of essentially slave labour that competes with labour in other industries.

Programs like prison farms have been effective at providing food for the prison population and help with rehabilitation, but those programs have been cut by this government because of costs. It's cheaper to just warehouse people until release than to attempt rehabilitation. Of course recidivism rates go way up, so long term costs go up much higher as the prison population is swelled by repeat offenders.

Americans have been complaining about illegal immigration for years. The orange orchards are filled with undocumented workers because local folks won't do the work.

Well, America, you have 2 million people incarcerated right now. I bet they could pick a ton of oranges.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Prison labour isn't necessarily a bad idea, but it is very expensive to implement properly. It's also subject to abuse, and the prisoners become a cheap source of essentially slave labour that competes with labour in other industries.

Programs like prison farms have been effective at providing food for the prison population and help with rehabilitation, but those programs have been cut by this government because of costs. It's cheaper to just warehouse people until release than to attempt rehabilitation. Of course recidivism rates go way up, so long term costs go up much higher as the prison population is swelled by repeat offenders.

How hard is it to put a chain gang together to clean ditches?? Couple of guards with shotguns and they can work all day....hell, if they are lucky they might even get food and water.

It's a lot more expensive than getting an excavator in to do the same work in a fraction of the time.

Any job can be filled if the wages meet market conditions. Can't fill a job? Look at conditions and wages. 

[Noto]

Depends on how you pronounce Brigitte...is it Bridge-Eat, or Bridge-Ette?

Bridge-It.    The point is that my name is RIGHT THERE above my avatar.   

Where?  I don't see it.  (just for SirO)

My point was that if your name was pronounced "Bridge-Eat" then you deserved to have your name misspelled because it sounds funny.  ...but since your name is the proper Bridge-It, then Brigitte it is!

Well, America, you have 2 million people incarcerated right now. I bet they could pick a ton of oranges.

I like you, Mark, a lot.

The point is that it's hard to put people in jail because of the cost of incarceration.  By having inmate cover their own cost, it opens up a lot more space in jails (that is, building bigger jails) and keeps criminals off the streets.  Some criminals (like the Quebec driver that stopped for ducks) don't deserve to be in prison and should effect community service and other retributive services.  Others, like the homeless drunk that stole a car and nailed my client to a wrought-iron fence, backed up, and ran him over again, have no money to contribute, but is a danger to society if released.  He needs to be put to good use or culled <-- don't hate, you know it's true

Rapists/Murderers (not manslaughters) really shouldn't ever be released.  It's hard to prove that they are ever "rehabilitated" (short of a lobotomy).  So, howsoever money can be made towards the cost of their incarceration, it allows them to be held longer and therefore, in my books, is a great idea.

/rant

[johngenx]

You can call her "Master of the Forum Universe."  Or Ma'am.

[Noto]

Only if there's a winky face after such a title