Topic: Mazda Delays SKYACTIV Diesel Again, This Time Indefinitely

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New generation of SKYACTIV-G engines due in 2020

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[quadzilla]

Can't say that I'm shocked on this one, not even a little bit surprised.

While Mazda understands its SKYACTIV-D can meet emission regulation requirements without the use of a NOx after-treatment system, it was decided that further development is required to deliver the right balance between fuel economy and Mazda-appropriate driving performance.

Doesn't Mazda already have this engine on the other side of the pond? Seems like a crappy excuse to me or do they get an engine that delivers poor fuel economy and bad driving performance.

[tortoise]

That's a shame. 

I think Mazda really needs to differentiate itself from Honda and Toyota.  Being sportier will only go so far.  The Diesel would have allowed them to compete in a less crowded field and given them a foothold in the diesel market.

Now if they'd only bring back that damned wagon.

[MarkStevenson]

Can't say that I'm shocked on this one, not even a little bit surprised.

While Mazda understands its SKYACTIV-D can meet emission regulation requirements without the use of a NOx after-treatment system, it was decided that further development is required to deliver the right balance between fuel economy and Mazda-appropriate driving performance.

Doesn't Mazda already have this engine on the other side of the pond? Seems like a crappy excuse to me or do they get an engine that delivers poor fuel economy and bad driving performance.

Their emissions regs are different so they can produce more NOx on the other side.

[tpl]

Can't say that I'm shocked on this one, not even a little bit surprised.

While Mazda understands its SKYACTIV-D can meet emission regulation requirements without the use of a NOx after-treatment system, it was decided that further development is required to deliver the right balance between fuel economy and Mazda-appropriate driving performance.

Doesn't Mazda already have this engine on the other side of the pond? Seems like a crappy excuse to me or do they get an engine that delivers poor fuel economy and bad driving performance.

Their emissions regs are different so they can produce more NOx on the other side.

Are you sure about that, this week?   Didn't Euro 6 come into force which supposedly made the diesel emissions very close to the EPA.   Certainly the previous ( or current if I am mistaken) diesel emissions were easier on NOx.

[Fobroader]

Dammit, this would have made the CX5 a serious candidate for me.

[quadzilla]

Dammit, this would have made the CX5 a serious candidate for me.

Wouldn't that have made them with the only CUV under $35K with a diesel? I would think that would be a good market to own.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

They were having issues with the engine leaking diesel into the sump and thinning the engine oil.

In order to burn off carbon from the particulate trap, they inject some fuel into the exhaust. Apparently that system is what ends up leaking. If the engine oil is thinned too much, the engine ends up severely damaged.

[dkaz]

That's too bad.

But 2nd gen Skyactiv Gasoline engine with 18:1 compression ratio and no spark plugs? Colour me intrigued...

[MarkStevenson]

Can't say that I'm shocked on this one, not even a little bit surprised.

While Mazda understands its SKYACTIV-D can meet emission regulation requirements without the use of a NOx after-treatment system, it was decided that further development is required to deliver the right balance between fuel economy and Mazda-appropriate driving performance.

Doesn't Mazda already have this engine on the other side of the pond? Seems like a crappy excuse to me or do they get an engine that delivers poor fuel economy and bad driving performance.

Their emissions regs are different so they can produce more NOx on the other side.

Are you sure about that, this week?   Didn't Euro 6 come into force which supposedly made the diesel emissions very close to the EPA.   Certainly the previous ( or current if I am mistaken) diesel emissions were easier on NOx.

Not sure, but if it is already out (Mazda 6 diesel), it may get grandfathered until a redesign. That's just a guess though.

[mleitman]

Mazda North American Operations is the US importer of Mazda vehicles.  In Canada it's Mazda Canada Inc.  Is this no-diesel word from/on behalf of Canada too?

[Noto]

Well that's a shame.

[pcsp]

Damn, I hate to be right on this one. The Skyactiv D was simply "vapourware" for NA. Good concept, but obviously the company has no real intentions to differentiate itself and offer consumers REAL choice. How they have slipped.

[KD]

That's a shame. 

I think Mazda really needs to differentiate itself from Honda and Toyota.  Being sportier will only go so far.  The Diesel would have allowed them to compete in a less crowded field and given them a foothold in the diesel market.

Now if they'd only bring back that damned wagon.

I'd buy the 6 wagon tomorrow if it was available...well in the spring anyway...   Gorgeous car!

Fack the diesel!  My interest in diesel has finally waned after the last few weeks when I had to visit several stations over and over day after day looking for diesel because most had run out due to demand during the storm.

[MarkStevenson]

Mazda North American Operations is the US importer of Mazda vehicles.  In Canada it's Mazda Canada Inc.  Is this no-diesel word from/on behalf of Canada too?

As soon as we posted the press release from Mazda USA, we got the same one from Mazda Canada.

[Ex-airbalancer]

That's a shame. 

I think Mazda really needs to differentiate itself from Honda and Toyota.  Being sportier will only go so far.  The Diesel would have allowed them to compete in a less crowded field and given them a foothold in the diesel market.

Now if they'd only bring back that damned wagon.

I'd buy the 6 wagon tomorrow if it was available...well in the spring anyway...   Gorgeous car!

Fack the diesel!  My interest in diesel has finally waned after the last few weeks when I had to visit several stations over and over day after day looking for diesel because most had run out due to demand during the storm.

Why do you need diesel, the company truck ?

[sailor723]

A gas engine with an 18:1 compression ratio.....what could pssibly go wrong with that? 

[KD]

That's a shame. 

I think Mazda really needs to differentiate itself from Honda and Toyota.  Being sportier will only go so far.  The Diesel would have allowed them to compete in a less crowded field and given them a foothold in the diesel market.

Now if they'd only bring back that damned wagon.

I'd buy the 6 wagon tomorrow if it was available...well in the spring anyway...   Gorgeous car!

Fack the diesel!  My interest in diesel has finally waned after the last few weeks when I had to visit several stations over and over day after day looking for diesel because most had run out due to demand during the storm.

Why do you need diesel, the company truck ?

Generators...lots of visits at all hours...

[Solstice2006]

Damn, I hate to be right on this one. The Skyactiv D was simply "vapourware" for NA. Good concept, but obviously the company has no real intentions to differentiate itself and offer consumers REAL choice. How they have slipped.

What makes you think Mazda was not sincere in trying to offer diesel to North America.  You think they want the bad PR of promising a diesel on to have it delayed, then delayed indefinitely.  Blame the government for having different emissions regulations than Europe.  I would rather have them delay it or not bring it, then to have them bring it, the consumer buy it, and we have problems with it.  Recalls, TSB, etc....  Mazda is pretty good for their lack of recalls.  They care about their rep...

[mixmanmash]

Damn, I hate to be right on this one. The Skyactiv D was simply "vapourware" for NA. Good concept, but obviously the company has no real intentions to differentiate itself and offer consumers REAL choice. How they have slipped.

What makes you think Mazda was not sincere in trying to offer diesel to North America.  You think they want the bad PR of promising a diesel on to have it delayed, then delayed indefinitely.  Blame the government for having different emissions regulations than Europe.  I would rather have them delay it or not bring it, then to have them bring it, the consumer buy it, and we have problems with it.  Recalls, TSB, etc....  Mazda is pretty good for their lack of recalls.  They care about their rep...

Agreed.  It is sad, but certainly better to hold it back to prevent any issues rather than offer a product that can tarnish the name and cost more in recalls.