Topic: 2015 Subaru WRX STI To Debut In Detroit

[rrocket]

Not anymore.  New golf r has 290 hp and VW estimates 0-60 in 4.9s meaning it will do it faster then that as they have always been conservative in those estimates. 

I believe the last generation WRX was quicker than that.....

[rrocket]

Not anymore.  New golf r has 290 hp and VW estimates 0-60 in 4.9s meaning it will do it faster then that as they have always been conservative in those estimates. 

I believe the last generation WRX was quicker than that.....

0-60 in 4.5 for the last WRX but you had to do a high-rev launch and break your transmission to achieve it. Launching it normally it would bog pretty bad until 3500-4000 RPM because of the huge turbo lag.

Manual VW turbo cars aren't exactly lag free....

[rrocket]

Not anymore.  New golf r has 290 hp and VW estimates 0-60 in 4.9s meaning it will do it faster then that as they have always been conservative in those estimates. 

I believe the last generation WRX was quicker than that.....

0-60 in 4.5 for the last WRX but you had to do a high-rev launch and break your transmission to achieve it. Launching it normally it would bog pretty bad until 3500-4000 RPM because of the huge turbo lag.

Manual VW turbo cars aren't exactly lag free....

But but for 40K at least I could listen to a stereo that sounds better than a 1988 walkman.

Well that's the hope for the new car. Performance is already there from the previous models.

They just need to refine the interior comforts.

[sailor723]

What I don't get is if they are going to build a sedan that looks like a hatchback why not just build a hatchback? 

[Noto]

...is the mainstream 30 something (not enthusiast or cult-follower) going to buy an STi over some of the other premium offerings that now share this market space?

I believe I am responding for my fellow market spacers...Nope.

The CLA45 and S3 (or even CLA250 and A3) will be wildly popular for the price...the STi will have a lot of difficulty competing.

Let's be honest - the only difference between the WRX and STi will be engine/suspension/wheel colour/spoiler.  There will be a bunch of WRXs sold, but I think the STi will falter, unless the price of both has dropped dramatically.  Subaru's new interior materials are decent, but the layout/design isn't going to turn any heads. It's adequate at best.  The new power steering bugged me, and Lady Noto - and she knows little about cars.  For her, the '14 Fozzie XT felt wrong and she didn't like it at all.  CVT killed it for her, as did the added size and steering feel.  We're buying hers out only because the resale value is so strong, and then jumping the Subaru ship and finding something a little more grown-up.

I don't think Subaru is moving in the right direction for the STi, even though they are doing a good job with the Forester, WRX, etc.  If you want an Impreza that is higher performance, the WRX is a great offering.  Why the masses would drop another $5k for more horsepower (at the expense of fuel economy) and a stiffer ride just isn't resonating with me.

Whereas the previous STi had a hatchback, a 6-speed, and a few extra ponies for similar horsepower, it made sense.  Now?  What's differentiating the STi from the WRX for anyone other than an irresponsible 20-something who says "my dream car since I was 15 was an STi?"

I think they need to make an Impreza XT (topping out at $26k), and then make a $35k WRX as an ultra high-performance beast (thinking M3 killer at half the price).  Forester XTs are all over the place, but I likely wouldn't have considered buying an XT if it were called the Subaru Forester STi with a giant wing on the back.

[johngenx]

My ideal STi?  Forget all the lux stuff.  Give us a "Limited" trim WRX for that.  Heck, strip the STi interior down to the level of the old F40.  Add lightness.  Anything other than AC that isn't making it faster has to go.  Then add power.  The STi has been making 300hp forever.  If Mercedes can beat 360hp out of the little four they make, Subaru can make that too.

I'll take a 3000lb-ish (less would be better!) STi making 360-380hp and it should look like a race car with some lights on it.

Give us a 300hp WRX with four doors and leather and soft touch interior and whatever else.  The STi should be about speed, and nothing else.

[Fobroader]

My ideal STi?  Forget all the lux stuff.  Give us a "Limited" trim WRX for that.  Heck, strip the STi interior down to the level of the old F40.  Add lightness.  Anything other than AC that isn't making it faster has to go.  Then add power.  The STi has been making 300hp forever.  If Mercedes can beat 360hp out of the little four they make, Subaru can make that too.

I'll take a 3000lb-ish (less would be better!) STi making 360-380hp and it should look like a race car with some lights on it.

Give us a 300hp WRX with four doors and leather and soft touch interior and whatever else.  The STi should be about speed, and nothing else.

Ummm....they made one already....

[Sir Osis of Liver]

^ +2

[Snowman]

My ideal STi?  Forget all the lux stuff.  Give us a "Limited" trim WRX for that.  Heck, strip the STi interior down to the level of the old F40.  Add lightness.  Anything other than AC that isn't making it faster has to go.  Then add power.  The STi has been making 300hp forever.  If Mercedes can beat 360hp out of the little four they make, Subaru can make that too.

I'll take a 3000lb-ish (less would be better!) STi making 360-380hp and it should look like a race car with some lights on it.

Give us a 300hp WRX with four doors and leather and soft touch interior and whatever else.  The STi should be about speed, and nothing else.

Exactly. I would be there.

[DriverJeff]

My ideal STi?  Forget all the lux stuff.  Give us a "Limited" trim WRX for that.  Heck, strip the STi interior down to the level of the old F40.  Add lightness.  Anything other than AC that isn't making it faster has to go.  Then add power.  The STi has been making 300hp forever.  If Mercedes can beat 360hp out of the little four they make, Subaru can make that too.

I'll take a 3000lb-ish (less would be better!) STi making 360-380hp and it should look like a race car with some lights on it.

Give us a 300hp WRX with four doors and leather and soft touch interior and whatever else.  The STi should be about speed, and nothing else.

Exactly. I would be there.

I call BS… You've been drinking from the FGC Koolaid too long now.  You've been assimilated.  Zer is no return. 

[nlm]

Is the Golf R still limited (was it 400 units in its inaugural year) in Canada? If so I don't see it being a market competitor due to scarcity.

[Snowman]

My ideal STi?  Forget all the lux stuff.  Give us a "Limited" trim WRX for that.  Heck, strip the STi interior down to the level of the old F40.  Add lightness.  Anything other than AC that isn't making it faster has to go.  Then add power.  The STi has been making 300hp forever.  If Mercedes can beat 360hp out of the little four they make, Subaru can make that too.

I'll take a 3000lb-ish (less would be better!) STi making 360-380hp and it should look like a race car with some lights on it.

Give us a 300hp WRX with four doors and leather and soft touch interior and whatever else.  The STi should be about speed, and nothing else.

Exactly. I would be there.

I call BS… You've been drinking from the FGC Koolaid too long now.  You've been assimilated.  Zer is no return.

  I know....I need help 

[Threader]

My ideal STi?  Forget all the lux stuff.  Give us a "Limited" trim WRX for that.  Heck, strip the STi interior down to the level of the old F40.  Add lightness.  Anything other than AC that isn't making it faster has to go.  Then add power.  The STi has been making 300hp forever.  If Mercedes can beat 360hp out of the little four they make, Subaru can make that too.

Subaru are never going to put forged pistons in their engines. never. I did and make a reliable 450HP. Subaru OEM cast pistons aren't even reliable at 305HP with the stock ECU tune meant to please EPA with dangerous lean fuel conditions.

I am sure you know why AMG  feels comfortable pushing Turbo over 26 PSI on their 4 cyclinder 2 L engines?

Under the CLA45's hood is a hand-built 2.0-liter turbocharged engine. The four-cylinder uses an all-aluminum crankcase, forged crankshaft and pistons, and special friction-reducing cylinder liners called Nanoslide. Thanks to 26.1 psi of boost from the turbocharger, the engine produces 355 hp and 332 lb-ft of torque. That's an incredible 178 hp per liter, enough for Mercedes to claim this engine as the most powerful four-cylinder in a production car.

Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/new_york/2013/1303_2014_mercedes_benz_cla45_amg/#ixzz2qbHG1iRb

[Noto]

want a job working for AMG?

I don't think that the engine is a 'technological marvel'...but AMG's cojones in mass-producing a factory engine that is such high output is a marvel.

BMW's 1.5T (1986 M12) making over 1,300hp is a technological marvel - but couldn't even make it through a single race.

I want to see that engine resurrected with proper cooling.

[johngenx]

Subaru could build a superb turbo engine that could handily make a long lived and reliable 350+ HP.  Sure they might have to put more robust bits in...

[DriverJeff]

So maybe the 2015 STI will be the next 2008 WRX?  The model year nobody wants to remember before a proper engine upgrade happened.

[Noto]

Is it confirmed that the 2015 STi has the carry over EJ25?  It's not a new FA25 or FB25 turbo, is it?
...so it'll still have the traditional boxer blurb?

[DriverJeff]

Is it confirmed that the 2015 STi has the carry over EJ25?  It's not a new FA25 or FB25 turbo, is it?
...so it'll still have the traditional boxer blurb?

The power output, torque output and RPMs at which those figures are delivered, plus the 2.5L F-4 configuration are all identical to last year's engine.