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Toyota FCV Concept To Make North American Debut At CES
« on: December 18, 2013, 01:50:56 pm »


Japanese automaker eschewing full electrics for hydrogen fuel cell sedan

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Re: Toyota FCV Concept To Make North American Debut At CES
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2013, 03:54:40 pm »
Wow...thats just good ol' fashioned fugly.......
Lighten up Francis.....

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Re: Toyota FCV Concept To Make North American Debut At CES
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2013, 04:16:13 pm »
They better make sure the tank is empty when indoors  :foil:
Great idea but it's not really "electronics". A pure EV would be a better match.
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Re: Toyota FCV Concept To Make North American Debut At CES
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2013, 06:01:51 pm »
They better make sure the tank is empty when indoors  :foil:
Great idea but it's not really "electronics". A pure EV would be a better match.

I can see it now...  Underground parking garages with signs stating "No Hydrogen Powered Vehicles."  They do it for propane powered vehicles.

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Re: Toyota FCV Concept To Make North American Debut At CES
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2013, 06:27:06 pm »
Wow...thats just good ol' fashioned fugly.......

and only 53k!!

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Re: Toyota FCV Concept To Make North American Debut At CES
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2013, 07:02:58 pm »
Japanese automaker eschewing full electrics for hydrogen fuel cell sedan

Germans are thinking the same thing.

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Re: Toyota FCV Concept To Make North American Debut At CES
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2013, 07:20:40 pm »
Japanese automaker eschewing full electrics for hydrogen fuel cell sedan

Germans are thinking the same thing.

I wrote this in 2007 after speaking to Honda engineers...well before the Clarity came out...

http://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php/topic,51700.msg374171.html#msg374171

How fast is my 911?  Supras sh*t on on me all the time...in reverse..with blown turbos  :( ...

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Re: Toyota FCV Concept To Make North American Debut At CES
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2013, 07:33:38 pm »
Japanese automaker eschewing full electrics for hydrogen fuel cell sedan

Germans are thinking the same thing.

And yet in the real world Toyota has been doing just fine with Priuses and Rav4 full EVs, while Germans are only willing to mass produce the i3 and i8 and AUDI is bringing back the e-Tron in the light of cheaper batteries just around the corner. H2 is vapourware thats been promised for decades. Even Volt program is routing its R&D $$ into a 200 mile likely full EV.

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Re: Toyota FCV Concept To Make North American Debut At CES
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2013, 07:40:13 pm »
p.s. H2 pipelines will cost gazillion of dollars to build while we already have the electric infrastructure, sans the outlets maybe.
H2 has a wonderful property of raising up and collecting at the ceiling. Good luck having an electric garage opener there  ;)

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Re: Toyota FCV Concept To Make North American Debut At CES
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2013, 07:43:53 am »
p.s. H2 pipelines will cost gazillion of dollars to build while we already have the electric infrastructure, sans the outlets maybe.
H2 has a wonderful property of raising up and collecting at the ceiling. Good luck having an electric garage opener there  ;)

If there were a big swing toward electric vehicles, I could see that infrastructure having a hard time keeping up.

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Re: Toyota FCV Concept To Make North American Debut At CES
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2014, 12:20:03 am »
If there were a big swing toward electric vehicles, I could see that infrastructure having a hard time keeping up.

I charge my Smart Electric Drive overnight on 12A 120V and am good to go on or before 6am if needed.  If millions of Ontarians drove electric cars, this would finally make use of the excess electricity we are currently selling at a loss during the middle of the night when Ontario has "surplus base load" generation from Nuclear and Hydro.

My commute is 30km a day, which in the winter is 8KWh of electricity, and in the summer, more like 4KWh for the same commute (as I don't need to run defrost, heater and heated seats).    I use the L1 EVSE that came with the car, and recharge at a rate of 1.5KW.

If 1 million cars were recharging simultaneously using 1.5KW, this load would be less than the peak air conditioning load in the summer, and again, the load would be in the middle of the night, when electricity use is historically the lowest.