Topic: Unifor Aggressively Seeking To Unionize Toyota Canada Plant

[Autos_Editor]

Required number of cards signed to hold unionization vote, says Dias

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[ArticSteve]

They’re not going anywhere

It's called Mississippi and Alabama.   MORONS!

[tooscoops]

obviously unions have prevented any big three employees from getting let go.... oh... wait...

but it helped keep their costs in line with th.... oh.... wait.....

well, it made sure only good employees remained on staf....... ahh... wait....

but it definitely prevented plants from closin....... .... ummm.....

why do they want to unionize again? oh right.. individuals only looking at the small picture and being selfish.

[mixmanmash]

obviously unions have prevented any big three employees from getting let go.... oh... wait...

but it helped keep their costs in line with th.... oh.... wait.....

well, it made sure only good employees remained on staf....... ahh... wait....

but it definitely prevented plants from closin....... .... ummm.....

why do they want to unionize again? oh right.. individuals only looking at the small picture and being selfish.

Agreed, at least in this day and age.

[Northernridge]

 

[blotter]

if it's true Toyota has worked to pretty much match for the domestic unionized workers get, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

actually... dump idea period...... 

[safristi]

Can't wait for the UNIONIZED Rav 2.9 in 2017..........................
....the thingy on the BACK is for UNION DUES MONIES....

[Fobroader]

obviously unions have prevented any big three employees from getting let go.... oh... wait...

but it helped keep their costs in line with th.... oh.... wait.....

well, it made sure only good employees remained on staf....... ahh... wait....

but it definitely prevented plants from closin....... .... ummm.....

why do they want to unionize again? oh right.. individuals only looking at the small picture and being selfish.

But...but....theyll make a few extra bucks an hour for a few years before Toyota gets fed up and closes the plant down to move it to Mexico....

[Snowman]

FFS. Why do people that have it made want to fack it up.

[mixmanmash]

FFS. Why do people that have it made want to fack it up.

Good question.  I'm think because they think they can get better...

[Sir Osis of Liver]

I'm not sure about Cambridge, but there are plenty of shady practices at other plants.

At Honda plants, employees must work on contract prior to getting a full time position. What they have been doing is stretching that out pretty much indefinitely. Contract workers don't get benefits, are easy to get rid of and letting them go doesn't count as a layoff or termination. There is no wage negotiation. You get what you get.

Most of the southern plants in the US in right to work states operate under similar circumstances.

[tooscoops]

I'm not sure about Cambridge, but there are plenty of shady practices at other plants.

At Honda plants, employees must work on contract prior to getting a full time position. What they have been doing is stretching that out pretty much indefinitely. Contract workers don't get benefits, are easy to get rid of and letting them go doesn't count as a layoff or termination. There is no wage negotiation. You get what you get.

Most of the southern plants in the US in right to work states operate under similar circumstances.

it can be seen as shady i suppose. but if the employees know this going in and are willing to sign the contract, the wages must be pretty decent, even without benefits. for someone just out of high school or an "unskilled" labourer, i would think having a job that pays well for what you are doing right now outweighs the benefits package.

from what i know, it's not that easy to get a job at toyota, so there must be enough people willing to accept the contract work meaning it must have relatively decent compensation...

[Sir Osis of Liver]

I'm not sure about Cambridge, but there are plenty of shady practices at other plants.

At Honda plants, employees must work on contract prior to getting a full time position. What they have been doing is stretching that out pretty much indefinitely. Contract workers don't get benefits, are easy to get rid of and letting them go doesn't count as a layoff or termination. There is no wage negotiation. You get what you get.

Most of the southern plants in the US in right to work states operate under similar circumstances.

it can be seen as shady i suppose. but if the employees know this going in and are willing to sign the contract, the wages must be pretty decent, even without benefits. for someone just out of high school or an "unskilled" labourer, i would think having a job that pays well for what you are doing right now outweighs the benefits package.

from what i know, it's not that easy to get a job at toyota, so there must be enough people willing to accept the contract work meaning it must have relatively decent compensation...

Hard to say. I've been told that Toyota pays as well and has similar benefits, but at the same time has lower wage and benefits costs than the Big3 and their dirty unions.

Working contract means never being sure when you could be shown the door. Uncertainty is never good for the economy.

[PJ]

Contracts can be abused but for the most part they are a good thing.   It's normally much easier to hired contract then permanent and that gets your foot in the door.   Then it's up to you to be valuable enough so they make you permanent rather then risk losing you to another job. 

I always found it was always easier to convince upper management to hire more people when they are contract then permanent.   An insecure job is a lot better then no job.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Contracts can be abused but for the most part they are a good thing.   It's normally much easier to hired contract then permanent and that gets your foot in the door.   Then it's up to you to be valuable enough so they make you permanent rather then risk losing you to another job. 

I always found it was always easier to convince upper management to hire more people when they are contract then permanent.   An insecure job is a lot better then no job.

And syphilis is better than terminal brain cancer.

The point these plants are at, there are no more permanent positions unless someone retires or quits. But they dangle the chance of getting one out there anyway.

[PJ]

Contracts can be abused but for the most part they are a good thing.   It's normally much easier to hired contract then permanent and that gets your foot in the door.   Then it's up to you to be valuable enough so they make you permanent rather then risk losing you to another job. 

I always found it was always easier to convince upper management to hire more people when they are contract then permanent.   An insecure job is a lot better then no job.

And syphilis is better than terminal brain cancer.

The point these plants are at, there are no more permanent positions unless someone retires or quits. But they dangle the chance of getting one out there anyway.

Then my point stands.  If there are no available permanent positions then you are not getting hired.  End of story.  Contract means you are hired and Honda and Toyota pay well.   

My last 3 jobs started with contract and 2 became permanent.   The great thing about non union is value eats seniority.  Work hard and they need you. 

[dkaz]

I worked two 3-month contract terms before being hired permanently at my consulting engineering firm. The only sucky thing is that my net income went down 20% with the premium wage I earned while on contract combined with employee portion of benefits to pay for. But it's nice I have very good benefits now and some job stability, and they pay for medical premium which reduces that 20% to 13%.

I had an interview for a city job last year. I had no idea who I had to impress more, the union supervisor or the non-union manager. Needless to say, I didn't get the job.

I'll take RRSP matching over pensions anyday. I prefer having control over my retirement savings. I know what I need to contribute to live a modest life beyond 65, have enough for a couple of vacations a year.

[Snowman]

In a business where output must meet demand a level of labour flexibility is needed. Severance costs can add up if the workforce needs adjusting. This is where contract workers can fill that gap.

[ArticSteve]

The great thing about non union is value eats seniority.  Work hard and they need you. 

Yep.  That is true.  Then you get older and they get rid of you because your company has been taken over by a Private Equity Fund and in their eyes, you as a 25 year old dedicated employee, are "used up" because you can't quite move like you did.  Never an easy answer.

[PJ]

The great thing about non union is value eats seniority.  Work hard and they need you. 

Yep.  That is true.  Then you get older and they get rid of you because your company has been taken over by a Private Equity Fund and in their eyes, you as a 25 year old dedicated employee, are "used up" because you can't quite move like you did.  Never an easy answer.

Impressive to have the same job for 25 years.  Since I finished college in 87 I've had 8 jobs.  3 layoffs, quit 3 and got fired once.