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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2013, 05:30:42 pm »
^^ Very well put!!
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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2013, 05:40:18 pm »
They can't be serious, can they? A $20,000 roller skate? From Mitsubishi? Who would be stupid enough to buy a Mitsubishi anything in Canada, except maybe a heat pump? They need to dump these for $9,999 like Hyundai did with the Accent a few years ago if they want to move them.
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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2013, 05:43:23 pm »
They can't be serious, can they? A $20,000 roller skate? From Mitsubishi? Who would be stupid enough to buy a Mitsubishi anything in Canada, except maybe a heat pump? They need to dump these for $9,999 like Hyundai did with the Accent a few years ago if they want to move them.

You do know it's a $12.5K car, not a $20K car.  And both the Mitsubishis I owned were fine.  Which one did you have trouble with?

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2013, 05:48:03 pm »
They can't be serious, can they? A $20,000 roller skate? From Mitsubishi? Who would be stupid enough to buy a Mitsubishi anything in Canada, except maybe a heat pump? They need to dump these for $9,999 like Hyundai did with the Accent a few years ago if they want to move them.

You remind me of the weather man on Family Guy....just come in with a short blurb in the middle of adult conversations...

http://youtu.be/FW4VCU8utzo

Where did you get the $20K thing from??

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2013, 06:10:49 pm »
The Mirage SE, with the CVT and Convenience Package, is $18,548.  In Manitoba, with taxes, it's $21,099.87.  That's a lot of scratch for a car with the performance of my '82 Civic.
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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2013, 06:18:06 pm »
The Mirage SE, with the CVT and Convenience Package, is $18,548.  In Manitoba, with taxes, it's $21,099.87.  That's a lot of scratch for a car with the performance of my '82 Civic.

In BC with taxes it's $15,684.86.  I can drive a standard and there's nothing useful in the convenience pack.  The 82 Civic was a good little car and speed limits haven't changed since then.    Traffic around here moves a lot slower then back then.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2013, 06:20:03 pm »
The Mirage SE, with the CVT and Convenience Package, is $18,548.  In Manitoba, with taxes, it's $21,099.87.  That's a lot of scratch for a car with the performance of my '82 Civic.

But if you are stuck in traffic all day, everyday, then are active sway bars, track tires and 500horses going to help....no. The base model of this car makes sense as a pure city car.....and way more sense than a Smart or that Scion IQ thing.....

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2013, 06:41:54 pm »
i don't understand the minimal difference you come up with jeffer... we keep saying the BASE price of the mirage is where it's a good value... then you go on to price the SE not the ES...

a kia rio5 lx........ 15,884 +tax.

a mirage ES........... 13,948 +tax (plus a few things you can qualify for that discount it 500)

so over 2 grand less... and from what i see, both cars offer 0%.


Just had to edit this by saying... why the hell do i care? ha! this car is all about not caring about cars!
ok, well, i really can't see anyone buying the absolute base model of car...in fact, i'd imagine no dealer would stock it, so it would be a special order and be prepared to wait 8 weeks for it...as well, the 0% financing is only available for 36 months on the Mits...you can get 0% financing for 60 months on the Rio5...so, if you want 0% financing on the Mits, your monthly payment is $438.88 (this is the bare bones model)...if you can't afford that much, and need a lower payment, let's do 60 months...that brings it down to $283.20, which is likely much more manageable for someone on a budget...the Rio5 LX (base model Rio5) on 60 months is $282.20...$1/month cheaper.

there really is no reason to buy this car...it is worse in every way, and while in its most basic trim is lower priced, it is just that for a reason...this is the perfect example of a car built to fit a price...i mean, the base Yaris has manual windows, but at least the car itself will likely be worth something in 5 years...and Mits' long warranties are only available to the original owner.
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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2013, 07:32:03 pm »
I'm sure it will be just as agile as in the commercials swerving to avoid a loader while having 4 large people inside...

Oww 13.2 seconds to 100km/hr.... worse than a Corolla.
Anyone consider this car dangerous for the roads?
(150ft 100-0 braking)
« Last Edit: November 11, 2013, 07:40:22 pm by Black Hatch »

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2013, 07:43:20 pm »
   I can't see why this would be a penalty box and not say a Smart. This is far more practical IMO than a Smart...and yet...the Smart has a certain uniqueness about it that changes the view point...somehow. The Fiat 500 has that certain cache also but in a larger envelope than a Smart but smaller than this one. A penalty box to me is walking in the rain and cold in a raincoat but things have changed since those days. We are spoiled now.
   Still I can't bring myself to regard this vehicle as a possible purchase and not because of the HP level...they all have enough and as one poster said...'speed limits have not changed'...since the Civics of yore. No, but I would seriously like to drive a 500...it just hit's a note with me. It's maybe the retro style and, yes, panache, I think. I suppose that I can remember having a ride in a three wheel Bond Minicar was much to be preferred to riding a pushbike. So it is not the size or HP that realy deters perhaps. Not if interest is aroused in other ways and needs for space are secondary. Wraping bodywork around 4 people in this category and producing something stylish with 4 doors is a darned hard job. I think that I would give up on the latter aspect and just produce something determinedly utilitarian...with panache. Yeah right...easy to say. Although GM have produced larger similarly challenged formats in the Trax and Buick Encore and seem to have hit a sweet spot of semi SUV/sedan utility.
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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2013, 08:29:54 pm »
I'd buy a used Yaris or even something as old as an Echo ahead of this.  The Yaris gives similar fuel economy with a lot more power and the depreciation costs will be far less.  Not that the Mitsu has a ton of room to depreciate, but it will, and fast.  Spotty dealer network, marginal reputation, and lack of brand recognition means this car will be tough on resale.

74hp?  Really? I'm not a hp fanatic in economy cars, but this thing promises performance on par with my 76 Civic, not a modern automobile.

My 85 Civic has a 76HP 1.5L engine.

My 88 Civic RT4WD had a SOHC 16V 1.6L engine producing 105 HP and required premium fuel.

Odd to think that the base 2.0L engine in the Jetta only has 8 valves...

I'll stick with my Mazda 3. If anything, I'm looking forward to trading it in for an FRS sedan 6 speed manual in a few years.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #51 on: November 12, 2013, 12:13:16 am »
Odd to think that the base 2.0L engine in the Jetta only has 8 valves...
the "current" (won't be here much longer) 2.slow used in base VW vehicles is a "slightly improved" version of the original one that debuted in 1993...yup, basically, a 20 year old engine...but hey, it's cheap.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #52 on: November 12, 2013, 12:16:02 am »
My 85 Civic has a 76HP 1.5L engine.

My 88 Civic RT4WD had a SOHC 16V 1.6L engine producing 105 HP and required premium fuel.

i don't think those are "plusses" for a 2014 model car..."Hey look, we have the same power as a Civic from almost 30 years ago"...oh well, at least the dash matches 1985 too.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2013, 08:12:17 am »
What a lot of old codswallop. Get with it and view the future...if there is one.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2013, 08:54:00 am »
Did a road trip this weekend in the Mirage SE with CVT. Had 4 guys on board and a trunk stuffed with gear. Averaging 115km/h and rolling on winter tires, it did 6.6L / 100km (measured by hand average). Trip computer was off.

Great high-beams. Easy to park. Also rather liked how well the CVT makes use of the little 3-cylinder's power. Very smooth (albeit a little noisy) over the hilly stuff at speed.

Keep context in mind..this car is basic transportation, nothing more. In that sense, It's not that bad.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2013, 09:08:43 am »
...but that's the problem - basic transportation should be priced as such.

Th ES with CVT has to be considered base.  As much as we all love manuals here, the stats show that they encompass less than 3% of all vehicles purchased in Canada - and that's including models that are ONLY offered in manual.  ...and that's $15,148 with delivery, plus taxes = $17,155.  Your Mirage SE with CVT is $20,545.

My argument still stands.  Used vehicles are better in every way than buying this, even in base trim.

Since when is buy a car logical? Did you buy your XT used?

A used car is always a gamble, especially in a large market like Vancouver or Toronto, where there are a lot of shady curbsiders, and even shadier used car lots. It would be fairly easy to get into a car with a major accident in it's past and only find out about it after the fact.

Quite a few people buy new to avoid the hassle of doing the required due diligence on a used car. And if they keep it until it's compost, they won't be any worse off for it.

My XT is leased, brand new, paying 3.9% APR.  Still, we got $3,100 knocked off the sales price, so our monthly payments with $0 down are $550, taxes in.  I'm ok with that because I make enough that I don't need to consider buying economical transportation (especially considering Premium fuel required, and 19/24/21 US MPG).

We bought our loaded 2006 RX400h 1 year used, in the US.  Here with tax, at the time, was $86k.  We paid $42k all-in, and it had 12,986mi on it.  Now 7 years down the road, not a single repair bill.  I'd say used cars aren't 'expected' to be problematic.

If you are buying the Mirage, you are pressed for cash or don't have that much to spend on a car (whatever your reasons).  Hence, that is what the used market is for.  Just go to Autotrader and look for 1 year old Corollas or Civics.  Dead reliable, come with the factory warranty, and can be had, with tax, for WELL under $20k.  Remember, biggest depreciation is in 1st year and when you buy a car used, you don't have to pay $1700 for freight/PDI.  You can therefore save over $5k compared to a new car after just 1 year.  My statement stands.  Used market is for those who want cheap transport, cars like this have no justification in North America.  I understand in other parts of the world, it would make sense...just not here.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #56 on: November 12, 2013, 09:24:47 am »
A lot of people buy used cars with no issues. Then again a lot end up in a world of hurt.
Buying new with a new car warranty is a security blanket for the risk averse.

A friend of mine recently picked up a used Sentra. Not long after, it threw a CEL. It needed new plugs and plug wires. One of the plugs was seized and broke. Now she's in for the better part of a grand just to get rolling again. You'd have a very difficult time convincing her to go used again.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #57 on: November 12, 2013, 09:44:28 am »
Volume will only occur if the price is right. Buying used is a gamble.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #58 on: November 12, 2013, 09:58:58 am »
A lot of people buy used cars with no issues. Then again a lot end up in a world of hurt.
Buying new with a new car warranty is a security blanket for the risk averse.

A friend of mine recently picked up a used Sentra. Not long after, it threw a CEL. It needed new plugs and plug wires. One of the plugs was seized and broke. Now she's in for the better part of a grand just to get rolling again. You'd have a very difficult time convincing her to go used again.

NoTo was clearly referring to 1-year-old cars with full manufacturer warranty. So "the world of hurt" don't apply.
I agree with NoTo. A used 1-year-old Fit, Civic, Corolla would be a MUCH more rational reasonable secure reliable responsible (add your adjective here) purchase.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
« Reply #59 on: November 12, 2013, 10:56:04 am »
gamble.(in place of purchase)
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