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Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« on: October 11, 2013, 04:41:03 pm »
When I was getting an oil change yesterday at my local Kia dealership (which I waited 2 hours for, complained and was given a free next visit) they told me they recommended an intake cleaning due to excess carbon build up.  My Optima is only 20 months old with 40,000 kms.  Was this just a cheap try for an upsell or is this normal?  The cost was $65.  I declined of course partly due to being totally peeved at waiting there so long.

Appreciate any insight here.

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2013, 05:29:22 pm »
Get a can a Seafoam.

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2013, 05:57:00 pm »
How does it work?

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2013, 06:03:40 pm »
You need neither.  I've driven cars to 500,000km without using anything like that.  Modern injection systems combined with cleaner than ever gasoline mean cars can run for hundreds of thousands of kilometers without any problems.

That said, some DI engines are experiencing carbon build up problems.  Is your car a DI engine?

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2013, 06:05:04 pm »
Yes the Optima's are DI.

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2013, 06:11:49 pm »
Even still. Ur car is still under warranty so if carbon build up is excessive it would be a service bulletin item and should be free.

Just an upsell gimmick.

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2013, 06:14:08 pm »
That's what I was thinking but wondering if I was missing something.

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2013, 11:40:57 pm »
I doubt anything they could do for 65 bucks would be worthwhile.

I'm fully expecting to have to clean the intake on my GTI at some point. From what I understand, it's about a $700 job at the dealer or maybe $3-500 at an indie shop. It's a bit of a process to do it properly: the intake has to come off so you can access the valves, then the carbon is actually blasted off with compressed air and grit. Then everything has to be vacuumed up so it's spic and span, then put back together. It's a labour-intensive process to do it properly.

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2013, 12:41:48 am »
When did the GTI start using the DI engine?

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2013, 04:05:20 am »
Mine has it (2009) so maybe since the the MKV?

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2013, 05:07:35 am »
The Mk V was DI so that is 2006 as the first year.
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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2013, 06:32:52 am »
Oh, yea seafoam won't work on DI engines.

Best thing you can do is only buy top tier gas.

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2013, 07:37:19 am »
Ok thanks, I'm going to ask them what they do for $65, I'm curious.

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2013, 08:18:27 am »
I doubt anything they could do for 65 bucks would be worthwhile.

I'm fully expecting to have to clean the intake on my GTI at some point. From what I understand, it's about a $700 job at the dealer or maybe $3-500 at an indie shop. It's a bit of a process to do it properly: the intake has to come off so you can access the valves, then the carbon is actually blasted off with compressed air and grit. Then everything has to be vacuumed up so it's spic and span, then put back together. It's a labour-intensive process to do it properly.


Wouldn't the valvecover have to be removed to access the valves? Yes a lot of work for a bit better power and fuel economy, that will be short lived with the carbon build up.
I'm not sold on DI.I think a lot of the recent models sold with this ,will have problems in the future. This maybe Kias way of minimizing the carbon build up to hammy's car in the future. Just my thoughts
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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2013, 09:37:43 am »
Ok thanks, I'm going to ask them what they do for $65, I'm curious.

I would like to know this too, get ready for a :censor: explanation.


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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2013, 09:52:40 am »
I would like to know this too, get ready for a :censor: explanation.

Oh, yeah, no kidding.  Whatever they say is going to be 100% BS.  They're probably going to put a $5 can of nothing/snake-oil in the gas tank and mark it up to $65.

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2013, 10:37:51 am »
I would like to know this too, get ready for a :censor: explanation.

Oh, yeah, no kidding.  Whatever they say is going to be 100% BS.  They're probably going to put a $5 can of nothing/snake-oil in the gas tank and mark it up to $65.

And as that snake oil is injected into the combustion chamber not into the inlet manifold how could it clean the valves?


If an answer is needed to this supposed pandemic of DI engines dirtying up their inlet valves then I'd suggest getting rid of EGR might be a big help and finding a different way to do crankcase ventilation.

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2013, 12:25:27 pm »
I doubt anything they could do for 65 bucks would be worthwhile.

I'm fully expecting to have to clean the intake on my GTI at some point. From what I understand, it's about a $700 job at the dealer or maybe $3-500 at an indie shop. It's a bit of a process to do it properly: the intake has to come off so you can access the valves, then the carbon is actually blasted off with compressed air and grit. Then everything has to be vacuumed up so it's spic and span, then put back together. It's a labour-intensive process to do it properly.


Wouldn't the valvecover have to be removed to access the valves? Yes a lot of work for a bit better power and fuel economy, that will be short lived with the carbon build up.
I'm not sold on DI.I think a lot of the recent models sold with this ,will have problems in the future. This maybe Kias way of minimizing the carbon build up to hammy's car in the future. Just my thoughts

I should have said the intake manifold needs to come off to access the valves, but no, the valve cover doesn't need to come off too (on my car, anyway). You just need to access the top of the valves and the intake runners.

The cleaning itself is probably an easy DIY job - you could do it with scrapers and parts cleaner if you don't have a blast cleaner - but you need to be very careful not to let any junk fall into a cylinder. And there's a lot of incidental stuff to disconnect before you can even get started on the cleaning. Then you have to remember where it all went when it's time to put it back together.  :)

My car seems fine, so far, but I've only got 61,000 kms on it. There's probably some build up there, but I haven't noticed any adverse affects (first thing people seem to complain about is a drop in fuel economy, then maybe a loss of power, then maybe rough running or stumbling, then finally you'll get a CEL when it's really bad).

It's a great little engine, so I can put up with the extra maintenance that the DI requires.


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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2013, 01:26:08 pm »
Where would I even look to see if there was build up?  If they were doing only an oil change how would they know about the build up?  I don't notice any problems with the engine myself.

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Re: Is this legitimate - Intake Carbon Cleaning
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2013, 01:34:34 pm »
Get a can a Seafoam.

I would guess that's basically what they are doing.  They would use a product like Seafoam drawn into the intake manifold through a vacuum line. 

Is it a scam?  I think scam may be too strong a word.  I would call it overly cautious preventative maintenance.  Unless Kia has already started to see problems it's unneeded.  You can't clean carbon that isn't there   If they have then they should be doing it for free.

If the owner would like to do it for peace of mine then the price seems right.