Topic: Best way to Crash???

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Ditching is pretty viable out here because the ditches are shallow, and there usually aren't trees handy.

I can't really predict what I'd do. I've managed to keep the bikes upright a few times when I broke traction and afterwards couldn't figure out how I did it. Blind instinct, or luck or something.

[blotter]

some of the rural areas around here have pretty deep ditches. 
i've seen some hit the ditch, the nose of the car hits the embankment and flips the car.

[gord_boyd]

I ditched an Audi Quattro to avoid an unlicensed underage farm hand with a borrowed truck who failed to stop
on a country road.  I had previous training with Audi school and full brakes and just a slight movement of wheel and his braking
yielded the no impact results.  However the car was totalled with impact and torn-out underneath.

I have often relived that and do wonder if I had swung wheel the other way if I could have snake-tailed back onto road.
I'd like to take that to an instructor and train on that manoevrer.  I think training schools for high speed events are terrific.
(but expensive).

[normancw]

I ditched an Audi Quattro to avoid an unlicensed underage farm hand with a borrowed truck who failed to stop
on a country road.  I had previous training with Audi school and full brakes and just a slight movement of wheel and his braking
yielded the no impact results.  However the car was totalled with impact and torn-out underneath.

I have often relived that and do wonder if I had swung wheel the other way if I could have snake-tailed back onto road.
I'd like to take that to an instructor and train on that manoevrer.  I think training schools for high speed events are terrific.
(but expensive).

Last fall, my wife and son took a Tire Rack Street Survival school run by the local BMW club.  It was only $75 (included lunch) from 9am-5pm.  There was 2 hours of classroom, 4 hours of seat time doing drills and auto-crossing.
http://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?topic=80430.0



There's one being held in Brampton on Nov 3.
http://trillium-bmwclub.ca/content/street-survival-school-intro

[tenpenny]

"not wearing their seat belts surely didn't help"

At what point will people wake the fuk up?

Wear your god damned seat belt.  it's there for a reason, ffs.

[Fobroader]

"not wearing their seat belts surely didn't help"

At what point will people wake the fuk up?

Wear your god damned seat belt.  it's there for a reason, ffs.

Still baffles me when I hear "the victims were not wearing seatbelts" when you hear about a deadly car crash, dont know about you guys, but putting my seat belt on is almost a reflex when I get into a car.

[HeliDriver]

"not wearing their seat belts surely didn't help"

At what point will people wake the fuk up?

Wear your god damned seat belt.  it's there for a reason, ffs.

Still baffles me when I hear "the victims were not wearing seatbelts" when you hear about a deadly car crash, dont know about you guys, but putting my seat belt on is almost a reflex when I get into a car.

I've been riding dirt bikes since forever and never gave it a second thought, but for the first month of owning my street bike, I'd get half way down the block then think "oh sh!t, I forgot to put on my seat belt!"

Funny how the ol' brain works sometimes.

[quadzilla]

"not wearing their seat belts surely didn't help"

At what point will people wake the fuk up?

Wear your god damned seat belt.  it's there for a reason, ffs.

Still baffles me when I hear "the victims were not wearing seatbelts" when you hear about a deadly car crash, dont know about you guys, but putting my seat belt on is almost a reflex when I get into a car.

People still drive with a kid/dog/cat on their lap, women apply makeup, men shave.....basically people just do what ever they want besides driving while driving. Somebody to stupid to put on a seatbelt doesn't surprise me anymore.

[X-Traction]

To answer the op...

Back around 1970 I was driving east on the 400 across Toronto.  Unknown to us, the speedometer read 20% slow and we were doing probably 95mph in the fast lane, in a 1964 Suburban.  Suddenly ahead, cars were going all over the place like pinballs.  I realized there was a large accident in progress, and slammed on the brakes.  I had to keep increasing the pressure as they faded (all drums), and it was taking a long time to slow down since it was also a little downhill. 

I considered that I wasn't going to have time to stop as I was getting closer to the car ahead, which also had brakes full-on.  I considered that the back end of the Suburban would be cheaper to fix than the front, and I recalled that Stirling Moss had deliberately spun a racing car around backwards to mitigate a huge shunt he'd been in.

So I let off the brakes enough to allow the front wheels to turn, and turned the wheel enough to start a spin.  There was no room to use the handbrake technique even if I'd known how.  We only got sideways before the truck stopped moving, about 18 inches from the next car.  I checked to see if anyone was going to hit us, but we were ok.  I couldn't believe we'd gotten out of this without any damage.  Had I not spun sideways, given the position of the center of gravity of the truck relative to an end rather than the the side, we would have used up the 2 feet.  And probably the old Suburban had more braking traction sideways than straight.  The passengers had been utterly silent as this unfolded, but we got quite a rush afterward.

[Black Hatch]

"not wearing their seat belts surely didn't help"

At what point will people wake the fuk up?

Wear your god damned seat belt.  it's there for a reason, ffs.

Still baffles me when I hear "the victims were not wearing seatbelts" when you hear about a deadly car crash, dont know about you guys, but putting my seat belt on is almost a reflex when I get into a car.

People still drive with a kid/dog/cat on their lap, women apply makeup, men shave.....basically people just do what ever they want besides driving while driving. Somebody to stupid to put on a seatbelt doesn't surprise me anymore.

Yup I saw this on Sunday. 4 adults and 2 kids pile into a Camry. Kids sat in the adults lap in the back. No child car seats seen at all.
Don't want to be discrimatory but might be a cultural/immigration thing.

[aquadorhj]

"not wearing their seat belts surely didn't help"

At what point will people wake the fuk up?

Wear your god damned seat belt.  it's there for a reason, ffs.

Still baffles me when I hear "the victims were not wearing seatbelts" when you hear about a deadly car crash, dont know about you guys, but putting my seat belt on is almost a reflex when I get into a car.

People still drive with a kid/dog/cat on their lap, women apply makeup, men shave.....basically people just do what ever they want besides driving while driving. Somebody to stupid to put on a seatbelt doesn't surprise me anymore.

ah...    stupidity, it knows no bounds.

[Northernridge]

I drive in early a few days a week to give my son a lift to school and I've noticed quite a few people eating some form of breakfast sandwich while driving. Watching them I'd almost prefer it if they were texting instead.

[Black Hatch]

I drive in early a few days a week to give my son a lift to school and I've noticed quite a few people eating some form of breakfast sandwich while driving. Watching them I'd almost prefer it if they were texting instead.

Whats wrong with eating a breakfast sandwich?
That only requires one hand.... With texting most people use two....
(okay I guess you could text with one hand, its just not as fast).

Ok I admit sometimes I eat with one hand while driving. Not any different that taking a sip of coffee with one hand.

[rrocket]

I drive in early a few days a week to give my son a lift to school and I've noticed quite a few people eating some form of breakfast sandwich while driving. Watching them I'd almost prefer it if they were texting instead.

Whats wrong with eating a breakfast sandwich?
That only requires one hand.... With texting most people use two....
(okay I guess you could text with one hand, its just not as fast).

Ok I admit sometimes I eat with one hand while driving. Not any different that taking a sip of coffee with one hand.

I agree.  If you can drink coffee while driving, you can hold a sandwedge.

[Northernridge]

I drive in early a few days a week to give my son a lift to school and I've noticed quite a few people eating some form of breakfast sandwich while driving. Watching them I'd almost prefer it if they were texting instead.

Whats wrong with eating a breakfast sandwich?
That only requires one hand.... With texting most people use two....
(okay I guess you could text with one hand, its just not as fast).

Ok I admit sometimes I eat with one hand while driving. Not any different that taking a sip of coffee with one hand.

The people I see are doing it wrong...two-handed double push while watching their lap to see if anything spills.

[rrocket]

I drive in early a few days a week to give my son a lift to school and I've noticed quite a few people eating some form of breakfast sandwich while driving. Watching them I'd almost prefer it if they were texting instead.

Whats wrong with eating a breakfast sandwich?
That only requires one hand.... With texting most people use two....
(okay I guess you could text with one hand, its just not as fast).

Ok I admit sometimes I eat with one hand while driving. Not any different that taking a sip of coffee with one hand.

The people I see are doing it wrong...two-handed double push while watching their lap to see if anything spills.

Oh...in that case.  Yea, that's wrong.   

[HeliDriver]

I drive in early a few days a week to give my son a lift to school and I've noticed quite a few people eating some form of breakfast sandwich while driving. Watching them I'd almost prefer it if they were texting instead.

Whats wrong with eating a breakfast sandwich?
That only requires one hand.... With texting most people use two....
(okay I guess you could text with one hand, its just not as fast).

Ok I admit sometimes I eat with one hand while driving. Not any different that taking a sip of coffee with one hand.

I agree.  If you can drink coffee while driving, you can hold a sandwedge.

Yeah, but can you get up and down for par? 

[Black Hatch]

I drive in early a few days a week to give my son a lift to school and I've noticed quite a few people eating some form of breakfast sandwich while driving. Watching them I'd almost prefer it if they were texting instead.

Whats wrong with eating a breakfast sandwich?
That only requires one hand.... With texting most people use two....
(okay I guess you could text with one hand, its just not as fast).

Ok I admit sometimes I eat with one hand while driving. Not any different that taking a sip of coffee with one hand.

I agree.  If you can drink coffee while driving, you can hold a sandwedge.

Hey its not too hard even when driving standard (RX-8).
Having the sandwich in the right hand.
Set to 1st gear,
Bite one
Shift to 2nd
Bite two
Shift to 3rd
bite 3
shift to 4th, etc

[tenpenny]

If the suggestion is that using only one hand makes it okay, then it should be okay to use a cell phone while driving.

The hardest thing I've eaten while driving was a Peanut Buster Parfait, you have to steer with your knees so you can hold it in one hand and use the spoon with the other.

[normancw]

If the suggestion is that using only one hand makes it okay, then it should be okay to use a cell phone while driving.

The hardest thing I've eaten while driving was a Peanut Buster Parfait, you have to steer with your knees so you can hold it in one hand and use the spoon with the other.

I was on a business trip with a salesman who drove a 5 speed Jeep in traffic steering with his knees, while looking up a phone number on his Palm Pilot (late nineties) and dialling his cell phone