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Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2013, 05:54:19 pm »
Boring...

That said, I'd buy this new Corolla over a Sentra.  Thank god that there are far better choices on the market than these 2.

Sorry but Sentra looks way better, even if it's not that exciting.  But thank God we have the new 3, Forte, and Elantra as alternatives.

Lol.  I fully expected this kind of answer from you.  After all, you do own a Juke.  ;)

But you are right,  thank god there are the alternatives.

I fully expected your jab at the Sentra.  Yes I own a Juke, but the new 3 would be my pick right now.

Agreed.  The new 3 is going to be quite the looker and benchmark in it's class.

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Re: Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2013, 06:02:44 pm »
Lol thanks guys.

Who said the SC was supposed to be an S2000 competitor? ?

I heard it was originally supposed to be Toyota's answer to the S2000 in concept stage, something a bit more upmarket and capable than the MR2. But something got out of hand so they just released it as a luxury sport tourer.

That's wrong. The SC430 was based off the Sport Coupe Concept.

Never was planned as a competitor for the S2000.
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Re: Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2013, 06:06:21 pm »
Lol thanks guys.

Who said the SC was supposed to be an S2000 competitor? ?

I heard it was originally supposed to be Toyota's answer to the S2000 in concept stage, something a bit more upmarket and capable than the MR2. But something got out of hand so they just released it as a luxury sport tourer.

That's wrong. The SC430 was based off the Sport Coupe Concept.

Never was planned as a competitor for the S2000.

I dont know where anyone would think the SC430 and S2000 were supposed to be competitors. The S2000 is a sublime driving machine while the SC430 is a Chrysler Sebring for rich people  ;D  ;)
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Re: Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2013, 08:24:24 pm »
Lol thanks guys.

Who said the SC was supposed to be an S2000 competitor? ?

I heard it was originally supposed to be Toyota's answer to the S2000 in concept stage, something a bit more upmarket and capable than the MR2. But something got out of hand so they just released it as a luxury sport tourer.

That's wrong. The SC430 was based off the Sport Coupe Concept.

Never was planned as a competitor for the S2000.

I dont know where anyone would think the SC430 and S2000 were supposed to be competitors. The S2000 is a sublime driving machine while the SC430 is a Chrysler Sebring for rich people  ;D  ;)

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Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2013, 08:52:18 pm »
I recently rented a pretty basic 2012 Corolla (manual windows!) recently and I found it ok except for the totally numb electric steering.  I see this new car as looking better and if they improved the steering feel, than all the better.  It's just one of those rolling appliances made for those looking for low low TOC. 


The only "hate" I have for the Corolla is in traffic. They are everywhere, and usually being driven in a manner that could best be described as slug-like. Members of the Anti-Destination League seem to have them as their top choice.

I would second that and also add those who have a SUV or even a truck that slooowwww right down for a little ant hill sized speed hump. The best I can think of is that they either having a raging case of 'roids or they don't want to spill their latte.

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Re: Re: Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2013, 08:54:37 pm »
Lol thanks guys.

Who said the SC was supposed to be an S2000 competitor? ?

I heard it was originally supposed to be Toyota's answer to the S2000 in concept stage, something a bit more upmarket and capable than the MR2. But something got out of hand so they just released it as a luxury sport tourer.

That's wrong. The SC430 was based off the Sport Coupe Concept.

Never was planned as a competitor for the S2000.

I dont know where anyone would think the SC430 and S2000 were supposed to be competitors. The S2000 is a sublime driving machine while the SC430 is a Chrysler Sebring for rich people  ;D  ;)

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Re: Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2013, 08:55:51 pm »
I recently rented a pretty basic 2012 Corolla (manual windows!) recently and I found it ok except for the totally numb electric steering.  I see this new car as looking better and if they improved the steering feel, than all the better.  It's just one of those rolling appliances made for those looking for low low TOC. 


The only "hate" I have for the Corolla is in traffic. They are everywhere, and usually being driven in a manner that could best be described as slug-like. Members of the Anti-Destination League seem to have them as their top choice.

I would second that and also add those who have a SUV or even a truck that slooowwww right down for a little ant hill sized speed hump. The best I can think of is that they either having a raging case of 'roids or they don't want to spill their latte.

The speed bump thing kills me too ......move along slapnuts.

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Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2013, 10:53:22 pm »
That's one thing I liked about the Corolla. I could take 50 km/h speed bumps at 100 no problem lol, would hardly feel it. In my Mazda, I have to take those things at 50 and I still really feel it.

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Re: Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2013, 11:42:23 pm »
I dont know where anyone would think the SC430 and S2000 were supposed to be competitors. The S2000 is a sublime driving machine while the SC430 is a Chrysler Sebring for rich people  ;D  ;)

Best reason to like an SC430....

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Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2013, 09:33:05 am »
i think i'll have to wait for the cr size numbers... i've found so many of the manufacturers numbers seem just plain wrong when you get in them...

i'm with those that think the 4 speed is just dandy. the corolla has long been the appliance.. so why fight it? make basically the same car.... FOREVER... as the design gets older and older, the parts will get cheaper and cheaper, build processes will get better and better, and any and all R&D costs will have been paid... eventually, while every other compact gets stylish, techie and into the 25 grand category, the corolla will be the most reliable little car and cost 12 grand.

ah well. not a car i want, but it will be just fine for many.

as for the lexus stuff.. it was a joke... explaining why it's not all factually 100% correct just ruins the fun.
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Re: Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2013, 10:59:06 am »
I recently rented a pretty basic 2012 Corolla (manual windows!) recently and I found it ok except for the totally numb electric steering.  I see this new car as looking better and if they improved the steering feel, than all the better.  It's just one of those rolling appliances made for those looking for low low TOC. 


The only "hate" I have for the Corolla is in traffic. They are everywhere, and usually being driven in a manner that could best be described as slug-like. Members of the Anti-Destination League seem to have them as their top choice.

I would second that and also add those who have a SUV or even a truck that slooowwww right down for a little ant hill sized speed hump. The best I can think of is that they either having a raging case of 'roids or they don't want to spill their latte.

The speed bump thing kills me too ......move along slapnuts.

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I'm not sure what irritates me more; the paranoid anti-drivers who always seem to be pushed up way too close to the steering wheel and oblivious to anything else around them, or the mirrored sunglass guy who slouches back with his single hand draped over top of the steering wheel and thinks driving is a leisure activity!
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Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2013, 01:19:22 pm »
I don't get the hate for the Corolla.  It's not an enthusiast car, and never will be.  Toyota has designed it to appeal to the greatest number of people possible.  This thing is all about sales, pure and simple.  It's not a niche car.  The vast majority of buyers want a comfortable car that gets excellent fuel economy, lasts a long time, is cheap to insure (premiums not driven up by ricer-racer claims), and holds it's value.

"Where's the 200hp version?"

Uh, why?  Other than a few folks kicking around here, 99.99% of Corolla buyers don't even know how many horsepower their cars has!  Seriously!  They just care that it has enough that it feels peppy.  "But Honda sells the Si."  Yes, they do. But Toyota is going after the mass market, period.

"Where's the nineteen speed DSG-style transmission." 

This car is $19,500 in what will be the most popular model/trim.  That price includes a CVT, LED headlamps, AC/Cruise/Etc, and a TON of safety gear including knee airbags.  Ask 99.99% of Corolla buyers how many gears in the transmission, and they don't care.  Enough that it feels right and gets great fuel economy.

"The handling needs to be razor sharp!!"

Why?  Oh, yeah, I forgot, the Corolla is THE autocross machine everyone's been waiting for!  Seriously, 99.99% of owners want a comfortable ride with predictable handling that has no surprises.  Toyota is not going after the small number of Si buyers, etc.  They're going wide, really wide.

"No rear discs!!??"

Our 2700lb Corolla stops very well.  It rides on pretty conservative tires (though we have H-rated performance tires on ours) and the brakes work very well.  Maybe not a on track day or with the car being wrung out on a mountain road, but who does that in a Corolla?  The rear drums work more than well enough.  And they LAST.  Our car has 125K on it, and the rear shoes are barely half worn.  It's a very front heavy FWD car that has no performance mission whatsoever.

Would I buy a Corolla for myself?  No.  Is it the PERFECT car for my missus?  Yes.  She has no idea of how many HP the engine makes or the number of speeds in the transmission or whether it has rear discs or not.  Really.  She has no clue about those things.  She knows it will go 550-600km on 42L of fuel in all city driving and over 800km on the highway.  She knows it costs $600/yr to insure.  She knows it has never needed a repair and rarely needs servicing.  She knows it rides nicely and never surprises her when she turns the wheel or uses one of the pedals.  (unlike some other cars we've owned)  Perfect.  So perfect in fact, that she'd never consider another brand were she shopping today.  If she needed a new car, she'd go to the Toyota dealer and find something there.  Maybe a RAV, or Venza, or another sedan.  Probably another Corolla.

How is that bad business?  If I were an auto exec, I'd dream about creating customers like that.  Toyota has LOTS of them.

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Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2013, 01:58:25 pm »
you convincing people that the corolla is great is like me trying to convince people that not all sales are crooks.

very valid points, but i don't think we're selling anyone!

i actually agree wholeheartedly though. i bet my wife would love it... as much as she could ever love a car. oh, and 100% on rear drums... they last forever and i don't think all that many people on today's roads really need to worry that much about heat dissipation.

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Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2013, 07:54:31 pm »
So perfect in fact, that she'd never consider another brand were she shopping today.  If she needed a new car, she'd go to the Toyota dealer and find something there.  Maybe a RAV, or Venza, or another sedan.  Probably another Corolla.

Your wife sounds a lot like mine, except she likes the "H" on the front of her cars.
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Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2013, 08:15:34 pm »
Drove by the dealership tonite , they had 2014 in white sitting out front and it looks might fine

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Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2013, 08:31:44 pm »
I agree with those Corolla comments John.  Mrs tpl does know something about the workings of cars but she cares not. Her Fit does for her exactly as you suggest for the Corolla. Doesn't go wrong, predictable everything, good economy and now accessibility matters, she can get her walker in the back easily and then get to the drivers seat safely.    Have to say tho' she'd prefer her manny tranny back if her left foot started working again.
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Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2013, 09:59:37 pm »
Well said John.

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Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2013, 10:40:56 pm »
Lots of comments on this forum giving the old Corolla attributes to its new iteration. Like simplicity, reliability, resale value...
Folks, this is a new car that was redone from the ground. Let's see if it is as good as you imply. I have some reservations on that matter. One thing I'm sure. This car will sell a lot based on the glory of previous model alone. I hate the interior design btw. Previous one was more generic and perhaps that was the reason it was selling for so many people.
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Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2013, 10:51:43 pm »
I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with this Corolla. I think they know their target audience pretty well and are focused on that.

That doesn't mean that a Corolla (Auris) GT-S hatch with a high end powertrain and tuned suspension wouldn't bring in a wider variety of customers.

The problem that Toyota could run into is that it becomes an old person's brand. Buick is trying to ditch that image. Honda is still trying to deal with that perception in Europe, in the UK in particular, and in a number of European markets Toyota has dropped the Corolla name altogether for similar reasons.
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Re: First Drive: 2014 Toyota Corolla
« Reply #59 on: September 01, 2013, 07:06:59 am »
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