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Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« on: August 27, 2013, 10:43:21 pm »
I talked to a guy in my neighbourhood.  It turns out that he owns a local taxi company.

I noticed that one of his drivers was in his driveway with his Camry hybrid.  I asked him what he thought of hybrids in his business and he says that as far as he is concerned it is the only way to go.

He is always on the look for used Camry hybrids and buys them with about 50K on them.  They average about 100K per year on them and keep them until they have 500K on the odometer.

They average about 7L/100 vs 9L/100 for a 4 cylinder Camry and he says they are very reliable.  I imagine that brake life would be much better than a normal car.
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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2013, 10:48:52 pm »
Interesting...

I was talking to a taxi driver (in a Prius) in Vancouver and they're super popular there...

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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2013, 10:55:04 pm »
City of Edmonton had some incentives for cabbies to go hybrid, and now I see tons of them.  I saw a cabbie on TV being interviewed about it, and he was begging Toyota for a Sienna hybrid...

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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2013, 10:57:47 pm »
Hmm so at "disposal" they'd be 500k and call it ~7 years old. Not many years but a lot of battery cycles surely.

Surely he must be replacing the batteries?
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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2013, 10:58:44 pm »
Interesting...

I was talking to a taxi driver (in a Prius) in Vancouver and they're super popular there...

I was in a Prius taxi in Vancouver last summer and it had about 700k km on it.  :o

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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2013, 10:59:42 pm »
Hmm so at "disposal" they'd be 500k and call it ~7 years old. Not many years but a lot of battery cycles surely.

Surely he must be replacing the batteries?

No.  Toyota was voluntarily pulling Prius out of taxi service to inspect them.  None needed batteries.

The most common issue was the dash lights seemed to dim over time.

I'll see if I can dig up the article...
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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2013, 11:00:37 pm »
Hmm so at "disposal" they'd be 500k and call it ~7 years old. Not many years but a lot of battery cycles surely.

Surely he must be replacing the batteries?

No.  Toyota was voluntarily pulling Prius out of taxi service to inspect them.  None needed batteries.

The most common issue was the dash lights seemed to dim over time.

I'll see if I can dig up the article...

Oh the dash lights. I recall the needles on the first gen IS would go out sometimes and the fix was sort of annoying. Still, not bad.

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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2013, 11:05:07 pm »
^^The other thing that I remember from the article and it blew my mind was the car only required ONE brake change in 400,000kms.  So it went through a total of 2 sets of brakes in 400,000kms.

That's crazy!

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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2013, 11:22:47 pm »
City of Edmonton had some incentives for cabbies to go hybrid, and now I see tons of them.  I saw a cabbie on TV being interviewed about it, and he was begging Toyota for a Sienna hybrid...

Yeah, I was just noticing today, lots of the tall Prius v cabs around. Spotted a Camry hybrid police car the other day:


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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2013, 11:26:36 pm »
^^The other thing that I remember from the article and it blew my mind was the car only required ONE brake change in 400,000kms.  So it went through a total of 2 sets of brakes in 400,000kms.

That's crazy!

I remember that article.

Stuff like that. I was impressed.

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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2013, 12:52:10 am »
My family ran a taxi business for years. The margins are really thin on this taxi business, as the cost of doing business is high. If there is way to cut costs, a taxi operator is going to take it. If you ever want to see the lowest cost per km of any vehicle, go look at what the local taxi operators are using. In small towns, you still may see used cars like old Centurys on the road but in Canada's major cities, hybrids rule. Here in Vancouver 90% of the taxis are Prius, the V being the favourite now. Drivers tell me the cars do 6 L /100 km in Vancouver's horrid traffic and when the cars are retired after six years, the have decent resale. Usually they run about 100,000 km a year.

Taxis are not about go fast, brand loyalty or image; they are about dollars/passenger km. Low fuel costs and maintenance costs, good space for passengers and luggage and bullet-proof reliability are the reasons the Prius rules around here.
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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2013, 01:03:48 am »
^^Hard to believe a Prius with 600,000kms on the clock has "decent resale".

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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2013, 01:43:40 am »
^^Hard to believe a Prius with 600,000kms on the clock has "decent resale".

The drivers or their families get them. Good ones fetch $5k.

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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2013, 01:51:28 am »
^^Hard to believe a Prius with 600,000kms on the clock has "decent resale".

The drivers or their families get them. Good ones fetch $5k.

WOW!!  People in Vancouver sure do love overpaying for cars!

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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2013, 08:54:34 am »
"Taxis are not about go fast"

Hmmm, tell that to the taxi drivers here that steam around the city at high speed.

LOL., yeah the San Francisco cabby I had hit over 100 mph on the freeway into the city in a tired Caravan... guess he was more worried about the 'dollars per passenger' part not efficency...



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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2013, 09:43:15 am »
WOW!!  People in Vancouver sure do love overpaying for cars!

They do.  A long time ago, Albertans used to head to BC to buy used cars as prices were better.  (Alberta has had the highest prices as long as I can remember)  Not today.  Prices in BC are at least as high in BC as Alberta.

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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2013, 10:49:00 am »
makes sense... cabbies will find the highest value/space for sure... and i've heard multiple sources tout the benefits of the hybrids...

might not fit as much as an old crown vic, but i'm all for the switch...
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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2013, 12:44:55 pm »
^^Hard to believe a Prius with 600,000kms on the clock has "decent resale".

The drivers or their families get them. Good ones fetch $5k.

WOW!!  People in Vancouver sure do love overpaying for cars!

Used cars in Vancouver typically have no rust issues and are quite tight as the roads are very smooth.

A Prius, with any kind of decent maintenance, can go a million km.

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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2013, 02:08:30 pm »
A pretty solid endorsement of Toyota hybrid reliability. Good post.

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Re: Kitchener/Waterloo Taxi Economics
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2013, 07:28:50 pm »
They average about 7L/100 vs 9L/100 for a 4 cylinder Camry and he says they are very reliable.  I imagine that brake life would be much better than a normal car.

That would be the first gen Camry Hybrid prior to the 2012 second gens.  2012 and up much better in all respects.