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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #60 on: June 14, 2013, 02:15:12 pm »
What's wrong with this engine again?  Low 8l/100km great power, smooth and reliable...

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Good question.  Hard to find fault with this motor.
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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #61 on: June 14, 2013, 02:33:10 pm »
I don't get all the hate for Toyota using tried and true components.  The 3.5L V-6 is a terrific engine.  It delivers great fuel economy, good power, and lasts forever.  The power delivery is great and the engine is ridiculously smooth and silent.  It's been used in many applications and is a known performer.

The 2GR-FE is only made sweeter in the 2GR-FZE guise which features dual injection, combining conventional injection and direct injection for the best of both worlds, and has shown what I think is the best application of direct injection thanks to no carbon build up in those engines.

Engines from 2009 or so are not dinosaurs, especially not this 3.5L.

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #62 on: June 14, 2013, 02:43:53 pm »
I guess some people believe if the engine wasnt released within the last six months its equivalent to a nailhead Buick engine in antiquity (made in the 50's and 60's). Im all for new technology but if the unit is comparable and competitive with new products on the market, why change it?? Especially since, ask anyone who buys the first years production of any new vehicle, it takes a bit for the company to completely work out the bugs.
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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #63 on: June 14, 2013, 04:21:03 pm »
The "ancient" 3.3L in my Highlander is a pretty nice engine!  It's somewhat down on power compared to newer designs (230 vs 270hp) but still delivers solid fuel economy (11-12L/100km in all city driving in a 3900lb AWD SUV is very acceptable), is so smooth you have to look at the tach to see if it's running, and judging by HL owners with way more kms than me, long lived.  Yeah, it has a timing belt than needs swapping every 150K, but it's not a tough job (nothing compared to the Subaru) and since you might have only two in the life of the vehicle, not really a consideration in the long term.

I suppose if I bought new and traded every few years I'd be more concerned about having the absolute latest and greatest, but personally I'd rather have tried and true.  I got burned a bit by the Germans by buying leading edge technology, and today I'd rather have something I know will just get the job done.

One thing to note about the various Toyota V-6's I've had the pleasure of driving is that power delivery makes a big difference in how they feel.  They make power down low, meaning access to grunt right away.  The VVT-i systems have a "v-tech kicked in yo" effect, but the immediate delivery of thrust is very noticeable.

As for BMW and Mercedes, I miss the great I-6 engines they dropped into the cars forever.  Those old single cam 3.0L engines Mercedes used in the original 300E and 300SE/L were not powerful like a modern engine (177hp from 3L) but they sounded nice, were smoother than most V-8s, and lasted literally forever with regular oil changes.  They needed almost no maintenance and when they did, were super easy to work on.  A new timing chain was needed usually at about 300K and could be installed for less than the timing belt on most cars.  Plugs sat on top, could be swapped in a half hour including time for a beer.  I owned a 190E with the 2.6L version of that engine and it finally left our home with 510,000km on the odo and the engine and trans had never been opened.

In many ways, modern Toyota engines feel to me like those old MB and BMW engines.  Built solid and made to last and last.  The article rr posted about the modded 2.5L I-4 engine blew me away with the thought that's gone into a "plebeian" four banger that's used in the RAV.  In stock form, that thing is way over-built for the modest output.  Toyota might be cutting corners in a few areas like interior materials to stay price competitive, but it seems to me that the engineering goodness in the mechanical systems is not only still there, but in many ways still at the front of the pack.

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #64 on: June 14, 2013, 05:18:49 pm »
The "ancient" 3.3L in my Highlander is a pretty nice engine! We had a 2002 Highlander and I would pull a loaded 2 place covered snowmobile trailer and four adults with gear with ease. That 3.3 was a great engine.

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #65 on: June 15, 2013, 03:28:23 pm »
I don't get all the hate for Toyota using tried and true components.  The 3.5L V-6 is a terrific engine.  It delivers great fuel economy, good power, and lasts forever.  The power delivery is great and the engine is ridiculously smooth and silent.  It's been used in many applications and is a known performer.

The 2GR-FE is only made sweeter in the 2GR-FZE guise which features dual injection, combining conventional injection and direct injection for the best of both worlds, and has shown what I think is the best application of direct injection thanks to no carbon build up in those engines.

Engines from 2009 or so are not dinosaurs, especially not this 3.5L.

Totally agree!! I just traded my VW passat 2.0T(fsi) to a toyota venza v6 with the worry for:

Carbon built up (already have hard start in winter time, crank more then 5 sec.)
high pressure fuel pump cam follower wear (the old one replaced at 98K km have hole in it, and it did have wear mark on the cam)
high consume rate of engine oil (1L/1000km)
Electric parking brake fail (many on the forum said a switch or module needed as it fail)
Don't want to continue to scar ppl off.

I love the VW engine more then the no low end guts Toyota V6.  butter smooth, both on operation and power delivery.  And when the vvti working past 5000, it does sound good.

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #66 on: June 15, 2013, 03:34:36 pm »
i agree with many here... why go to a new engine if the old one still is in the upper class of current models?

after all, it should keep starting prices down quite a bit... i'd sacrifice the 1L/100 for an engine with oodles of parts available, great track record and lower up front costs.
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Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #67 on: June 15, 2013, 05:32:41 pm »
Going from Subaru to Toyota has been a shock to me in how much lower Toyota parts prices are. Often a fraction of the price. A big part of course is sheer volume with Toyota selling millions of cars. But platform sharing is another reason parts costs are low. Those Toyota parts are used in a lot of models. The liberal use of the 3.5L V-6 keeps production costs down and replacement parts cheap.

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #68 on: June 16, 2013, 11:33:22 am »
And no Hybrid version of the Avalon in Canada...it's only in the States ?!  Why?

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #69 on: June 16, 2013, 11:44:21 am »
Because in Canada these large sedans do not sell very well.  Wouldn't be worth it.

I wouldn't bother either with the fuel consumption I achieved.

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #70 on: June 16, 2013, 11:58:44 am »
Because in Canada these large sedans do not sell very well.  Wouldn't be worth it.

An Avalon Hybrid would compete with the Avalon here, and given the small numbers, Toyota has nothing to gain.

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #71 on: June 16, 2013, 12:15:06 pm »
Because in Canada these large sedans do not sell very well.  Wouldn't be worth it.

I wouldn't bother either with the fuel consumption I achieved.

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No kidding.  What was the mix of city / highway driving for that number?

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #72 on: June 17, 2013, 04:48:12 pm »
Day 4 Quote "With the use of a regular V6 I averaged 8.0 L/100 km for the week."

A regular V6 as opposed to a Super or Mid-grade V6?

I'll take the Super Duper V6 everytime  ;D
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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #73 on: June 17, 2013, 07:38:59 pm »
Day 4 Quote "With the use of a regular V6 I averaged 8.0 L/100 km for the week."

A regular V6 as opposed to a Super or Mid-grade V6?

I'll take the Super Duper V6 everytime  ;D

Versus the new trend of Turbo 4s.

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #74 on: June 18, 2013, 08:10:22 am »
11k on the odometer, a $40k+++  car from Toyota, and it has rattles already?   

Why would I choose this over anything else?  I would have to go back to the dealership "please stop my Avalon from rattling" or does the Avalon owners just miss that?
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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2013, 09:43:15 am »
Because in Canada these large sedans do not sell very well.  Wouldn't be worth it.

I wouldn't bother either with the fuel consumption I achieved.

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No kidding.  What was the mix of city / highway driving for that number?

I'd like to know this as well.  Very impressive result.

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #76 on: June 18, 2013, 09:48:27 am »
Sorry missed that question.

This was my normal route of driving to and from work.  Tracy took the car to do some grocery shopping Friday which was a lot of various stops in town.

I'd say 70/30 highway/city is my normal driving scenario.

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2013, 09:49:46 am »
Thanks.  Really good result for a very big sedan with a very powerful motor.

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #78 on: June 18, 2013, 09:53:10 am »
Yeah and when I did the math at the pump it was actually 7.9!

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Re: Day-by-Day Review: 2013 Toyota Avalon; Day 1
« Reply #79 on: June 18, 2013, 10:55:33 am »
Yeah and when I did the math at the pump it was actually 7.9!

That's about the best I could do in my Protege in similar driving...  Wow how engines have come.  In all fairness, the base design of the engine in my Protege is from the early 90s...