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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2013, 09:42:18 am »
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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2013, 09:44:35 am »
from the June issue of Motor Trend, the Forte faces off against the Dart, Civic, Mazda 3 and Sentra..........and the the top vehicle is..............

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1303_compact_sedans_the_big_test/viewall.html

Uh huh, If you are an enthusiast and value fuel economy in your small car pick the Mazda. Quoted Right from that article. You get a great little car with the Mazda 3 that comes with higher resale and better handling, performance, and fuel economy.

Yes, the Kia is a great car for the average buyer and offers tons of bang for the buck, cost consious buyers know this, the Bingo hall parking lot is jamed full of Hyundais and Kia's lol. They will sell like hotcakes I'm sure. I would rather have the 3 or civic thankyou

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2013, 03:28:24 pm »
Dont know about Ontario, but in the Prairies, there are a lot of dead zones for cell phones.
that's why i said "maybe out west, it works for you guys"...haven't been anywhere in the past decade where there wasn't cell service...in the 25 years i have been driving, i have never needed to use a spare tire.
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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2013, 03:53:53 pm »
in the 25 years i have been driving, i have never needed to use a spare tire.

In the 34 years I've been alive, I've never had my house catch on fire.  Does that mean I should remove the smoke detectors?

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2013, 03:55:36 pm »
in the 25 years i have been driving, i have never needed to use a spare tire.

In the 34 years I've been alive, I've never had my house catch on fire.  Does that mean I should remove the smoke detectors?

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2013, 04:59:21 pm »
Sounds like the power numbers really don't really deliver that in actual output.  Pretty lackluster fuel economy compared to the competition.  Torsion beam setup?  Sounds like it's lifted from the Elantra GT so I would fully expect the rear end wiggle.

Seriously, when a Mazda 6, Honda Accord and Nissan Altima can all deliver better fuel economy than this econobox, there is something wrong.

Sure, Kia bundles a ton of features, but how about addressing some of the basics such as steering feel, suspension and fuel economy?  Back up that sexy exterior style with some proper underpinnings.

Seems to be the recipe with the two korean makes, class leading numbers on paper and plastered in all their ad's to get folks buying, then much less than expected performance from the product. I've said it before, features and styling alone do not make a great car......
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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2013, 09:09:04 am »
   In answer to the denigrator of Accent brakes...they were progressive, well balanced, never pulled and after 60,000km of usage only required regular maintenance (if that was indeed the case; seemed to be working fine to me}...what's not to like...and discs are not in any way a neccessity on the rear wheels. After having disc rear's possibly many would maybe prefer the old drum. Maybe the problem is how the brakes work 'after a while' and not 'when new'. I am not into brake upmanship...just want them to work as they should.
   It sounds like the subject vehicle is decent from the review...not best in handling but not that far behind and the hatch does it for me also, since envigorated driving is not a requirement. Have more respect for my passengers. Yes, I want a spare also and hope that is a stand alone piece and not part of a package...if this is going to be the theme from now on. An occasional spare will do and inside if at all possible. Weather degredation and inability to keep inflated is not a realistic solution. Heck on a van bolted to the outside would be a better solution.
   However, a breaker bar is most important to carry. Be a bit daft to have all of the parts present and not be able to remove the wheel nuts. Get a breaker bar from CT, together with the assortment of good fitting sockets. An alternative for the knotted purse string brigade is to recycle the old chrome household vacuum cleaner extensions...we fixed income seniors are out here. It's easy to remodel one end to fit snuggly over the wheel nut spanner and the extra leverage provided might save your life. Usually easy to store this tube behind the rear seat. I have found that the strength of the tube to be more than up to the job. You probably will never need it...but then there is that winter night, on a lot, and a flat, and probably the same mechanic who failed to lubricate your disc brake slide posts...also torqued up your alluminum wheel..wheel nuts with an air gun...with gusto. Hmmm... Saved a guy on the plant lot with my vac. hose one dark winter night.
   I also carry puncture repair equipment these days and since my driver is my trusty Caravan...mostly trusty anyway. Other human input can't be counted. Anyway I have the handy underfloor compartments, one of which will store a Black and Decker dual voltage air compressor. Another handy in-expensive piece of gear that can be used around the house and to pump up air mattresses at camp. These things are neat inexpensive birthday presents. Well...only the pinched vacuum hose would be senior worthy.
   With one exception, all of my soft tires have been a simple nail hole in the tread and easy to make a repair to.
     
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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2013, 10:09:27 am »
drum brakes on the rear work fine on small light cars...on larger, heavier vehicles, disc brakes work much better...there is no reason why a small car with disc brakes all the way around wouldn't be a benefit...the only reason drums were used on the rears is because they were cheaper and still worked fairly well...the same reason why Hyundai/Kia use a torsion beam rear end...once you go throwing everything "best" on the vehicle, it drives the price up...we already get the "$30k for a Hyundai!??!", so it is important that the brand keep there vehicles priced properly.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2013, 10:30:33 am »
Aren't most compacts equipped with torsion beam rear suspensions? I believe only the Civic, Mazda3, and Golf are so equipped. Everyone else uses varying torsion beam setups.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #49 on: June 01, 2013, 10:51:37 am »
Aren't most compacts equipped with torsion beam rear suspensions? I believe only the Civic, Mazda3, and Golf are so equipped. Everyone else uses varying torsion beam setups.

The Focus, Impreza, Lancer, are independent rear suspensions setups as well.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #50 on: June 01, 2013, 11:25:45 am »
considering the number of Corollas and Jettas sold (and Kia/Hyundias for that matter), people don't really care...yes, the IRS systems are better in terms of dynamics, but the vast majority of people shopping for cars in this class don't have "Driving Dynamics" high on their list (if at all)...it's not like these cars are terrible, they are still good...others with IRS setups do handle better on those broken pavement surfaces, but it is likely down on the list of "I care about that" to most customers.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #51 on: June 01, 2013, 11:29:59 am »
well, for you guys out west, perhaps spares work for you...they don't down here...people get killed on the highways changing them, and that's assuming there is any air in it, or they can actually get the spare off the vehicle...today's lifestyle affords us luxuries...one of those luxuries is being able to call roadside assistance and let them tow the car...even if the car had a spare, let the roadside assistance people do it...sorry, i'm not losing my life over a spare tire.

So lets say metrosexual, man purse guy leaves the downtown core of Toronto and goes north to take pictures of the leaves changing or to try some organic, root based tea or whatever you in Toronto do. Him, his kids and and his wife get a flat out of cell range....what now?? Wait for a friendly stranger?? Walk to a gas station and hope they have a service station/tow truck?? All I am saying is that all cars should have spares and people should be able to change them. There are too many situations that can turn from a hassle to a dangerous situation if you dont have a spare tire and know how to use it. Dont know about Ontario, but in the Prairies, there are a lot of dead zones for cell phones.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #52 on: June 01, 2013, 03:06:43 pm »
Aren't most compacts equipped with torsion beam rear suspensions? I believe only the Civic, Mazda3, and Golf are so equipped. Everyone else uses varying torsion beam setups.

The Focus, Impreza, Lancer, are independent rear suspensions setups as well.
Ooh... good point. I had forgotten all about :)

Torsion beam isn't so bad is what I'm saying. It's not the greatest either... but as in all things the implementation is certainly important. What's the Elantra GT "hopping" issue that people are talking about? I hadn't heard about that.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #53 on: June 01, 2013, 03:09:27 pm »
Ugh!  The sedan is just plain ugly from all except the front view.  The hatch looks a little better.  Kia, forget the Nike like check mark on the sides.  It is just too much styling gone wrong.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #54 on: June 01, 2013, 05:50:30 pm »
considering the number of Corollas and Jettas sold (and Kia/Hyundias for that matter), people don't really care...yes, the IRS systems are better in terms of dynamics, but the vast majority of people shopping for cars in this class don't have "Driving Dynamics" high on their list (if at all)...it's not like these cars are terrible, they are still good...others with IRS setups do handle better on those broken pavement surfaces, but it is likely down on the list of "I care about that" to most customers.

The issue is that Kia/Hyundai can't get theirs setup right to not have he hopping issue.  Nissan Sentra has been torsion beam for generations and they don't have this issue.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #55 on: June 02, 2013, 04:31:57 pm »
Ugh!  The sedan is just plain ugly from all except the front view.  The hatch looks a little better.  Kia, forget the Nike like check mark on the sides.  It is just too much styling gone wrong.

I thought the same whenever I sat inside a Pontiac! 

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #56 on: June 02, 2013, 05:54:07 pm »
The issue is that Kia/Hyundai can't get theirs setup right to not have he hopping issue.  Nissan Sentra has been torsion beam for generations and they don't have this issue.

What he said. Lots of pretty good handling cars have had torsion beam rear ends, like the GTi up until recently. Hyundai's just needs sorting.
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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #57 on: June 02, 2013, 06:02:29 pm »
I drove my friend's 2012 Elantra Limited many times, and the first thing I noticed was the jiggly ride. It was a weird feeling since I'm used to IRS.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #58 on: June 02, 2013, 06:25:03 pm »
The issue is that Kia/Hyundai can't get theirs setup right to not have he hopping issue.  Nissan Sentra has been torsion beam for generations and they don't have this issue.

What he said. Lots of pretty good handling cars have had torsion beam rear ends, like the GTi up until recently. Hyundai's just needs sorting.
considering it has only been about 3 years since the "company turnaround", i would imagine they will sort this out (revising it or using IRS)...it was just a few years ago that these two brands were "used car alternatives", so investing in top shelf driving dynamics and suspension setups weren't on the radar...considering the leaps and bounds they have made in a few short years, common sense would state in a couple more years, that issue will have been addressed...of course, it won't stop some from finding something else to criticize.

i think back 5-10 years...they were rust buckets...then they were poorly built...then it was the panel gaps and uneven seams...then it was their course engines and laughable powertrains...then the terrible NVH...then the low resale...then the 0% interest for 84 months...the hoppy ride is simply the most current thing...i imagine they are working on it to keep the critics employed.

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Re: Test Drive: 2014 Kia Forte
« Reply #59 on: June 02, 2013, 07:47:00 pm »
My Sonata had an IRS and it was jumpy over broken pavement. It was multilink in the back IIRC. Maybe shocks are to blame here.
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