Topic: What did you do to your car today?

[Blueprint]

speak for yourself, if you have a ZF8HP (like many, many do) a fluid swap is expensive as hell

The Honda 5-speed auto is pretty cheap to swap 

[quadzilla]

speak for yourself, if you have a ZF8HP (like many, many do) a fluid swap is expensive as hell

How much is "expensive as hell"?  $100? $500? $1000? Do tell.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

speak for yourself, if you have a ZF8HP (like many, many do) a fluid swap is expensive as hell

How much is "expensive as hell"?  $100? $500? $1000? Do tell.

And how often does it need to be done?  That ZF8HP is in a LOT of vehicles (like, ALL the Ram 1500's, and every single Chrysler RWD vehicle since basically forever), and it hasn't been an issue that I've ever heard of.

[ChaosphereIX]

yes it is in a lot of Dodge, BMW, etc. too. They are very very stout transmissions that almost never go wrong. Jag say the fluid is "lifetime" but ZF themselves say the fluid and filter (integrated with pan) should be swapped every 120k or so. Again, preventative maintenance that might never need to be done, but if you get high mileage on your car on original fluid...you may see an issue.

For me, the service was near $800 to $1000. Most of that is for the official ZF fluid.

[tortoise]

My DSG Service was $375, but that is only because they matched a local dealer.  Normally it was $475.  The next service will be done at an indie since it will be out of the powertrain warranty and I guess it's not too terrible for every 60k km.

I had thought it was more but remembered the fuel filter change was included in that bill.  Oil change, fuel filter change and DSG fuild change came to $800 after tax.  For a Golf.

[Blueprint]

My DSG Service was $375, but that is only because they matched a local dealer.  Normally it was $475.  The next service will be done at an indie since it will be out of the powertrain warranty and I guess it's not too terrible for every 60k km.

I had thought it was more but remembered the fuel filter change was included in that bill.  Oil change, fuel filter change and DSG fuild change came to $800 after tax.  For a Golf.

Now put Audi part #'s on these same parts and fluid and the bill becomes X2.

[Dante]

My DSG Service was $375, but that is only because they matched a local dealer.  Normally it was $475.  The next service will be done at an indie since it will be out of the powertrain warranty and I guess it's not too terrible for every 60k km.

I had thought it was more but remembered the fuel filter change was included in that bill.  Oil change, fuel filter change and DSG fuild change came to $800 after tax.  For a Golf.

Now put Audi part #'s on these same parts and fluid and the bill becomes X2.

I don't think the Audi parts are more expensive in this case at least. It's the shop rate and perhaps book time?
Many Audi/VW parts even share the same P/N and are interchangable, at least for the  MQB platform with ICE.

[Blueprint]

My DSG Service was $375, but that is only because they matched a local dealer.  Normally it was $475.  The next service will be done at an indie since it will be out of the powertrain warranty and I guess it's not too terrible for every 60k km.

I had thought it was more but remembered the fuel filter change was included in that bill.  Oil change, fuel filter change and DSG fuild change came to $800 after tax.  For a Golf.

Now put Audi part #'s on these same parts and fluid and the bill becomes X2.

I don't think the Audi parts are more expensive in this case at least. It's the shop rate and perhaps book time?
Many Audi/VW parts even share the same P/N and are interchangable, at least for the  MQB platform with ICE.

169$/hr at my Audi dealer. And yes many parts have joint logos on them, but many exclusives with my car...

[Dante]

The DSG changes never bugged me as it was cheaper on a per/km basis than what oil changes were costing me. IE: 6 oil changes for every DSG change.

I think the intervals for the DSG are now at 120,000 so twice as long as before.

Are you sure about 120,000? The interval stated in the manual for my 2016 GTI DSG is 60,000 km. I did it at 50,000 km and the cost at the dealer was around $350 + tax I believe.

Next one will do it at 45,000 km and most likely at a VW specialist indy shop. Better safe than sorry... fresh fluids never hurt if you want your car to last and run well in the same time.

I looked at the DSG kit at germanparts.ca and the parts alone are around $180+tax (DSG fluid is relatively expensive). Add about 1 hr labor and you have the cost which IMO is not exorbitant. Sure more expensive than a regular automatic but not crazy expensive IMO. The difference in labor rate is roughly all there is to save on DSG fluid change.

[Dante]

My DSG Service was $375, but that is only because they matched a local dealer.  Normally it was $475.  The next service will be done at an indie since it will be out of the powertrain warranty and I guess it's not too terrible for every 60k km.

I had thought it was more but remembered the fuel filter change was included in that bill.  Oil change, fuel filter change and DSG fuild change came to $800 after tax.  For a Golf.

Now put Audi part #'s on these same parts and fluid and the bill becomes X2.

I don't think the Audi parts are more expensive in this case at least. It's the shop rate and perhaps book time?
Many Audi/VW parts even share the same P/N and are interchangable, at least for the  MQB platform with ICE.

169$/hr at my Audi dealer. And yes many parts have joint logos on them, but many exclusives with my car...

Not only logo but same p/n as well. Yours is a unicorn hence I specifically mentioned ICE.
I have few undercarriage trim pieces on my GTI which are Audi or Jetta parts. There are of course vehicle specific parts/PNs, but there are also many which are shared and interchangeable.

My local VW dealer rate is $145/hr. BMW is $169/hr.

[quadzilla]

The DSG changes never bugged me as it was cheaper on a per/km basis than what oil changes were costing me. IE: 6 oil changes for every DSG change.

I think the intervals for the DSG are now at 120,000 so twice as long as before.

Are you sure about 120,000? The interval stated in the manual for my 2016 GTI DSG is 60,000 km.

Yes if you have the 7 speed DSG which I believe is 2019 or later.

DSG/Stronic: Change transmission oil Every 120,000km

[Dante]

When I asked for a quote on the traction battery for my car, the service advisor misheard me and gave me a quote for the 12V battery - a bit over $1k installed  . Part alone is over $600. The battery is still fine, but I found a tutorial online and yes my car requires a very specific bit of coding in the ECU. CTC has compatible batteries for less than $300. We are so far from my college days when I had two cars and one battery 

WUT?  Over $1k for a regular battery?  Holy that's robbery.  FWIW, the OBDEleven can take care of the programming for you if you ever need it.

The tutorial I saw on YouTube looked simple enough, and the savings would probably cover software and connectors. The battery is located in a dry and clean inside cubby in the trunk floor. But add this to the upcoming cost of the DCT snake oil and secret swap ritual, and this thing is scaring me back to Asian cars.

Not sure how it works on Audi/VW (the battery on the GTI is still young), but I know how it works on BMW where you also have to code and/or register the new battery.

You only need to code the new battery if you change the specs from original/existing battery (e.g. buy aftermarket battery which will have slightly different specs). Coding means you need to update whatever parameters have changed. For this you need a more advanced OBDII device/software that can write the ECU. Otherwise you need to go to the dealer or shop with this capabilities.

If you replace the original with identical OEM P/N, you only need to register the new battery (basically tell the ECU you have a new battery). This can be done with a less fancy OBDII device like BlueDriver which is is what I use.

I noticed some YT videos don't make the distinction between coding and registration and each use case, but again, this is applicable to BMW.

[ktm525]

Either way it is dumb.

[ChaosphereIX]

My Jag also has a BMS, and it needs to be reset if you change the battery. It dynamically charges the battery based on its state, a new or old battery have different charging and maintenance needs. Still dumb.

[Hannibalsmith]

My Jag also has a BMS, and it needs to be reset if you change the battery. It dynamically charges the battery based on its state, a new or old battery have different charging and maintenance needs. Still dumb.

Maybe not so dumb...my original battery in the 335 is going on 7 years...

...and I probably just jinxed myself

[Dante]

The DSG changes never bugged me as it was cheaper on a per/km basis than what oil changes were costing me. IE: 6 oil changes for every DSG change.

I think the intervals for the DSG are now at 120,000 so twice as long as before.

Are you sure about 120,000? The interval stated in the manual for my 2016 GTI DSG is 60,000 km.

Yes if you have the 7 speed DSG which I believe is 2019 or later.

DSG/Stronic: Change transmission oil Every 120,000km

Oh really? This is crazy man. I wouldn't wait that long to replace any fluid mind you the DSG.... This is looking for trouble...

[JohnnyMac]

The DSG changes never bugged me as it was cheaper on a per/km basis than what oil changes were costing me. IE: 6 oil changes for every DSG change.

I think the intervals for the DSG are now at 120,000 so twice as long as before.

Are you sure about 120,000? The interval stated in the manual for my 2016 GTI DSG is 60,000 km.

Yes if you have the 7 speed DSG which I believe is 2019 or later.

DSG/Stronic: Change transmission oil Every 120,000km

Oh really? This is crazy man. I wouldn't wait that long to replace any fluid mind you the DSG.... This is looking for trouble...

Well the thing is, VW tests these things extensively and have been pioneers of the DSG's for mainstream vehicles.  Much like when car companies extended oil changes from 5-6K to 15-20K there are going to be people who get nervous about it.  Obviously you can change it whenever you want, and I would likely do it earlier too, but only because 120,000kms would be about 12 years with my driving style.

[Gurgie]

My Jag also has a BMS, and it needs to be reset if you change the battery. It dynamically charges the battery based on its state, a new or old battery have different charging and maintenance needs. Still dumb.

Maybe not so dumb...my original battery in the 335 is going on 7 years...

...and I probably just jinxed myself

We're still milking the original battery in Bella's 323i... car hadn't moved since last Friday & has been sitting outside the whole time. Yesterday I went out to shovel & decided to start it. It took a while & did start, but not very happily. I let it run for a bit & then took it for a small drive, battery was weak still though. The HVAC wouldn't work properly, only the front defrost would engage the fan blower motor, all other heat settings did nothing. Again, BMW thing to save the battery. I put a charger on it overnight & this morning I started it & everything worked like normal again. Might swap out the battery this weekend & then drop it off at my indy to do the programming. Or just milk it a while longer, not like she's going anywhere, though if she were driving it regularly it might help


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[Hannibalsmith]

My Jag also has a BMS, and it needs to be reset if you change the battery. It dynamically charges the battery based on its state, a new or old battery have different charging and maintenance needs. Still dumb.

Maybe not so dumb...my original battery in the 335 is going on 7 years...

...and I probably just jinxed myself

We're still milking the original battery in Bella's 323i... car hadn't moved since last Friday & has been sitting outside the whole time. Yesterday I went out to shovel & decided to start it. It took a while & did start, but not very happily. I let it run for a bit & then took it for a small drive, battery was weak still though. The HVAC wouldn't work properly, only the front defrost would engage the fan blower motor, all other heat settings did nothing. Again, BMW thing to save the battery. I put a charger on it overnight & this morning I started it & everything worked like normal again. Might swap out the battery this weekend & then drop it off at my indy to do the programming. Or just milk it a while longer, not like she's going anywhere, though if she were driving it regularly it might help


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If you don't change it, she will drive it that one time and get stuck on the side of the road. It will happen

[Gurgie]

My Jag also has a BMS, and it needs to be reset if you change the battery. It dynamically charges the battery based on its state, a new or old battery have different charging and maintenance needs. Still dumb.

Maybe not so dumb...my original battery in the 335 is going on 7 years...

...and I probably just jinxed myself

We're still milking the original battery in Bella's 323i... car hadn't moved since last Friday & has been sitting outside the whole time. Yesterday I went out to shovel & decided to start it. It took a while & did start, but not very happily. I let it run for a bit & then took it for a small drive, battery was weak still though. The HVAC wouldn't work properly, only the front defrost would engage the fan blower motor, all other heat settings did nothing. Again, BMW thing to save the battery. I put a charger on it overnight & this morning I started it & everything worked like normal again. Might swap out the battery this weekend & then drop it off at my indy to do the programming. Or just milk it a while longer, not like she's going anywhere, though if she were driving it regularly it might help


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If you don't change it, she will drive it that one time and get stuck on the side of the road. It will happen

She's gotta booster pack in the trunk & knows how to use it   plus it's a manual, can always bump start it

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