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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8420 on: March 12, 2018, 02:53:33 pm »
After reading a number of stories about people losing or nearly losing wheels due to improperly torqued lug nuts/bolts, I went around the car with the torque wrench. Everything was fine.

I do the wheel changeovers myself, as I've always done, so I was fairly confident they were ok. But then again.  ;D

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8421 on: March 12, 2018, 03:23:34 pm »
Brand new aluminum wheels might be a cause for a second tighten, but I never re torque generally.  I just set the wrench to 100 lbs. to compensate for the possible weakness in the wrench springs (20 years old).  Maybe I should just get a torque stick to compare.  But then again how does one know the accuracy of the stick.

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8422 on: March 12, 2018, 04:08:43 pm »
Brand new aluminum wheels might be a cause for a second tighten, but I never re torque generally.  I just set the wrench to 100 lbs. to compensate for the possible weakness in the wrench springs (20 years old).  Maybe I should just get a torque stick to compare.  But then again how does one know the accuracy of the stick.
It wil only cost probably a couple hundred dollars to get the wrench calibrated  ;D

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8423 on: March 12, 2018, 05:00:50 pm »
Brand new aluminum wheels might be a cause for a second tighten, but I never re torque generally.  I just set the wrench to 100 lbs. to compensate for the possible weakness in the wrench springs (20 years old).  Maybe I should just get a torque stick to compare.  But then again how does one know the accuracy of the stick.
It wil only cost probably a couple hundred dollars to get the wrench calibrated  ;D

I used to go to a local place that had a torque tester.  Check new torque wrench...go.  They never charged me which was nice.

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8424 on: March 13, 2018, 12:14:46 am »
I'm assuming the issues are people forgetting to torque down a few lugnuts and the wheel eventually loosens.

The Passat's lug bolts are to be torqued to 103ft-lbs, which seemed a bit arbitrary, but it's almost exactly 140Nms, which is a bit more even. 

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8425 on: March 13, 2018, 08:16:37 am »
I know this sound ridiculous; but I've never torqued lug nuts....I just give them a good tug with a breaker bar and call it good. I've never had an issue, ever, and I'd wager that I've installed many more wheels than the average guy. I am super careful though about making sure I don't miss any of them.

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8426 on: March 13, 2018, 08:36:03 am »
I know this sound ridiculous; but I've never torqued lug nuts....I just give them a good tug with a breaker bar and call it good. I've never had an issue, ever, and I'd wager that I've installed many more wheels than the average guy. I am super careful though about making sure I don't miss any of them.
Over tightening can cause the same issues as under tightening...except with additional problems such as lug, stud or even rotor deformation. Lug nuts have stretching properties built into them that help them achieve correct clamp load...essentially behaving as if you have a lock washer installed. Over tightening reduces the ability of the nut to "spring back" (yield point) to keep the correct clamp load.

It's simple metallurgical physics...of which most people don't understand.

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8427 on: March 13, 2018, 09:06:04 am »
I know this sound ridiculous; but I've never torqued lug nuts....I just give them a good tug with a breaker bar and call it good. I've never had an issue, ever, and I'd wager that I've installed many more wheels than the average guy. I am super careful though about making sure I don't miss any of them.
Over tightening can cause the same issues as under tightening...except with additional problems such as lug, stud or even rotor deformation. Lug nuts have stretching properties built into them that help them achieve correct clamp load...essentially behaving as if you have a lock washer installed. Over tightening reduces the ability of the nut to "spring back" (yield point) to keep the correct clamp load.

It's simple metallurgical physics...of which most people don't understand.

Yeah, I definitely do not overtighten....Remember, I am 120lbs, one firm 'tug' on a breaker bar from me won't even come close to over tightening. I've also never killed a nut/stud.

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8428 on: March 13, 2018, 09:27:38 am »
I know this sound ridiculous; but I've never torqued lug nuts....I just give them a good tug with a breaker bar and call it good. I've never had an issue, ever, and I'd wager that I've installed many more wheels than the average guy. I am super careful though about making sure I don't miss any of them.
Over tightening can cause the same issues as under tightening...except with additional problems such as lug, stud or even rotor deformation. Lug nuts have stretching properties built into them that help them achieve correct clamp load...essentially behaving as if you have a lock washer installed. Over tightening reduces the ability of the nut to "spring back" (yield point) to keep the correct clamp load.

It's simple metallurgical physics...of which most people don't understand.

Can overtightening lead to warped rotors?
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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8429 on: March 13, 2018, 09:28:26 am »


I know this sound ridiculous; but I've never torqued lug nuts....I just give them a good tug with a breaker bar and call it good. I've never had an issue, ever, and I'd wager that I've installed many more wheels than the average guy. I am super careful though about making sure I don't miss any of them.
Over tightening can cause the same issues as under tightening...except with additional problems such as lug, stud or even rotor deformation. Lug nuts have stretching properties built into them that help them achieve correct clamp load...essentially behaving as if you have a lock washer installed. Over tightening reduces the ability of the nut to "spring back" (yield point) to keep the correct clamp load.

It's simple metallurgical physics...of which most people don't understand.

Yeah, I definitely do not overtighten....Remember, I am 120lbs, one firm 'tug' on a breaker bar from me won't even come close to over tightening. I've also never killed a nut/stud.

The thing is, you usually can't tell you've killed it if you go over the yield point.

I'm sure you've used torque to yield stuff before (cylinder head studs for example) and over tightening those you can't tell you've ruined them. Also, on some of nuts/studs they are 1 time use only because the yield...and on subsequent use, they don't spring back...even though they look minty new.

But we're over complicating things.

Don't over tighten stuff. :)


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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8430 on: March 13, 2018, 10:11:50 am »
I know this sound ridiculous; but I've never torqued lug nuts....I just give them a good tug with a breaker bar and call it good. I've never had an issue, ever, and I'd wager that I've installed many more wheels than the average guy. I am super careful though about making sure I don't miss any of them.
Over tightening can cause the same issues as under tightening...except with additional problems such as lug, stud or even rotor deformation. Lug nuts have stretching properties built into them that help them achieve correct clamp load...essentially behaving as if you have a lock washer installed. Over tightening reduces the ability of the nut to "spring back" (yield point) to keep the correct clamp load.

It's simple metallurgical physics...of which most people don't understand.

Yeah, I definitely do not overtighten....Remember, I am 120lbs, one firm 'tug' on a breaker bar from me won't even come close to over tightening. I've also never killed a nut/stud.

Hmm, I can therefore apply double that torque you can apply...I think it is possible for me to overtorque things. 

Then again, I haven't met a stubborn bolt that I couldn't break lose.  Being a fatty has its advantages. 

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8431 on: March 13, 2018, 10:23:42 am »
After reading a number of stories about people losing or nearly losing wheels due to improperly torqued lug nuts/bolts, I went around the car with the torque wrench. Everything was fine.

I do the wheel changeovers myself, as I've always done, so I was fairly confident they were ok. But then again.  ;D

I've been in a vehicle to which this has happened. 

When I was a teenager, my Dad wanted to spruce up his Dodge Ram with some new wheels and tires.  He bought a set of new aluminum rims and a nice set of Michelin tires from a local Hamilton tire shop, who also mounted and installed them.  The day after, he wanted to take a trip with his truck and new wheels, so we drove out to Port Dover for lunch.  We made it to Port Dover, and were on our way back.  It was raining.  We were on Highway six, just south of Hagersville, doing the speed limit, when we felt a vibration coming from somewhere deep in the truck.  It lasted for about 10 seconds, and we didn't think much of it, other than some sort of weird road condition.  About a minute later, we felt the vibration again, and all of a sudden the rear driverside corner of the truck dropped to the ground.  My Dad wrestled the truck to the shoulder, and as we pulled over, we saw a brand new wheel and tire come bounding and rolling past us, on down the road into the opposite lane. Luckily, there was no oncoming traffic, as that wheel and tire could have gone straight through a windshield and killed somebody.  Instead, it rolled for a few hundred meters, before settling in the ditch on the opposite side of the road.

Upon closer inspection to the dropped axle, all the studs were bent, and some were even missing.  This mean't that installing the spare tire was not an option.  Luckily, my Dad had a cell phone through his work (this was 1998?!? - cell phones were not common place) and we were able to call for a tow.  The tow truck came (a flatbed), loaded the truck, and drove us the hour back into the city.  The driver dropped the truck off at the tire shop, before driving us back home. 

The next morning, my Dad called the tire shop and talked to the owner, to explain why the truck was sitting in his parking lot, with a wheel in the bed.  My Dad bet that the reason the wheel had come off, was that the mechanic had probably forgot to torque the lugnuts, and just left them finger tight, probably.  The owner tried to argue this, and said that a thief had likely tried to steal the wheels at some point in the 24 hours from when the wheels/tires were installed to when one came off, but got spooked and left after only managing to loosen some lugnuts.  Haha.  Yeah Right.

In the end, he took partial responsibility, and ended up replacing the broken/missing studs, as well as replacing the wheel which had been damaged.  He didn't end up paying for the tow, unfortunately, leaving my Dad on the hook for that part of it.

Lesson is:  Always check the torque of your lugnuts after having wheels/tires switched over, as you never know if the installer was a numpty who effed up.

All I gotta say is, we were lucky the truck was empty when it happened, as opposed to when my Dad was towing his 29' Striper fishing boat (about 9000lbs), as it could have been much, much worse.
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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8432 on: March 13, 2018, 12:46:16 pm »
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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8433 on: March 13, 2018, 01:03:50 pm »
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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8434 on: March 13, 2018, 09:23:25 pm »
Can overtightening lead to warped rotors?

Possibly. I use a 1/2 inch torque wrench mostly to get the torque even on all 5 studs. In the olden days with old Detroit iron I just put max armstrong on each stud.

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8435 on: March 14, 2018, 11:05:04 am »
Had the shop replace a leaking pinion seal on the Yukon's front diff yesterday morning. That's the third time it's been replaced in 160,000 km and 7 years.  :P

And the weather was nice in the afternoon so I put in the new spark plugs and wires I'd ordered a while ago. Wasn't as easy as doing it on my four-bangers, but access wasn't too horrible. Only skinned two knuckles, so I guess it could have been worse.  :P  :-\

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8436 on: March 14, 2018, 11:10:39 am »
Had the shop replace a leaking pinion seal on the Yukon's front diff yesterday morning. That's the third time it's been replaced in 160,000 km and 7 years.  :P

And the weather was nice in the afternoon so I put in the new spark plugs and wires I'd ordered a while ago. Wasn't as easy as doing it on my four-bangers, but access wasn't too horrible. Only skinned two knuckles, so I guess it could have been worse.  :P  :-\

Is that common to all Yukons?  or ones with certain engines?  or maybe just the 2500?

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8437 on: March 14, 2018, 11:28:00 am »
Had the shop replace a leaking pinion seal on the Yukon's front diff yesterday morning. That's the third time it's been replaced in 160,000 km and 7 years.  :P

And the weather was nice in the afternoon so I put in the new spark plugs and wires I'd ordered a while ago. Wasn't as easy as doing it on my four-bangers, but access wasn't too horrible. Only skinned two knuckles, so I guess it could have been worse.  :P  :-\

Is that common to all Yukons?  or ones with certain engines?  or maybe just the 2500?

I have no idea. Seems ridiculous to me, but nobody at the shop seems to think it's that odd

At least they were good about it. The last one was put in just over a year ago (January 2017, so 12-month warranty had expired) but they replaced it for free anyway. Said there were no apparent issues that would have caused the seal to go that quickly. Maybe they put it in cockeyed or something and wouldn't admit to it?

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8438 on: March 14, 2018, 11:28:45 am »
The 2500 might have a different front diff, but I did have to do the seals in the front diff in our Escalade. Had it done at a shop last year sometime, it was dripping (very little, maybe a drop or two a week) where the axle shafts go into the diff. I don't recall the work being too expensive, <$500 for sure.

I also have new plugs and wires to go into mine, they've been sitting on the shelf for at least 6 months now. I'll get to it eventually, access does look pretty easy on all 8.

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Re: What did you do to your car today?
« Reply #8439 on: March 14, 2018, 03:35:23 pm »
I have had it with winter. I just had my winter tires swapped with my all seasons. If it decides to snow I will call it snow day and stay home. This is my way of being a rebel.