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Unintended acceleration...sort of.
« on: February 13, 2013, 04:29:06 pm »


It was a weekly shopping trip that turned into a terrifying high-speed journey in a runaway car, worthy of a Hollywood action film.

The speed limiter on Franck Lecerf’s Renault Laguna jammed at 125 mph and the brakes failed.

He had intended to go no further than a local supermarket, but was forced to drive more than 70 miles from his home near Amiens in northern France across the border into Belgium, ending up in a ditch surrounded by a fleet of police cars when his petrol finally ran out.

“I saw my whole life flash before my eyes,” said 36-year-old Mr Lecerf, who was shocked but unhurt, although he did suffer two epileptic seizures brought on by the ordeal, which lasted nearly an hour. “I just wanted it to stop,” he said

His car, specially adapted for disabled drivers, first jammed when he set the speed regulator at 60 mph. But whenever he tried to brake, the car kept accelerating until it hit 125 mph, failing to respond to any of his efforts to slow down.

“It was impossible to control,” Mr Lecerf said. “It just continued increasing speed.

Other cars swerved out of his way as he careened along in the fast lane of a motorway. Despite his panic, he managed to call the fire brigade, which set up a conference call with the police and a Renault technician.

While the technician got him to try various ways of unjamming the speed regulator, all of which proved unsuccessful, the emergency services dispatched a squadron of police cars.

They escorted him at breakneck speed past Calais and Dunkirk and across the border into Belgium.

Mororists gave way as the convoy hurtled past and three motorway toll stations were forced to raise their barriers to let the cars race through.

The cause of the problem is still unknown, but technicians said it could be the way the Laguna was adapted for disabled drivers. Everything is controlled by hand and it has no brake or accelerator pedals.

The car is being inspected by experts.

Mr Lecerf’s lawyer said he would file a legal complaint against Renault for “endangering a person’s life”.

Renault told France 2 TV that it would not comment until it receives the results of the inspection and an investigation into the incident.


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Re: Unintended acceleration...sort of.
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2013, 05:24:46 pm »
That would take common sense, look at all the idiots involved in crashes because of the Toyota acceleration business. Put in neutral, shut engine off, pull the e-brake, stand on the brakes......there are more options than just slamming into other road users if your car takes off. Also another reason I prefer the old cable style throttle cable to this cordless throttle pedal thing. My old trucks pedal got jammed, put truck into neutral, threw hazards on, popped hood, backed the throttle butterfly back to idle, sprayed lubricant onto cable sheath and throttle linkage....problem solved.
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Re: Unintended acceleration...sort of.
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2013, 05:31:35 pm »
Not one of the Toyota models has ever been proved to have truly "UA."  No Audi, or other brand.  Driver error.  People trying to avoid responsibility.

This is a weird case because the car is modified for hand controls.  The throttle and brake controls have been modified extensively.  That said, it seems unlikely to me that the transmission and ignition switch would fail at the same moment.  (Though many Toyota owners tried to say that all three systems conspired against them...)

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Re: Unintended acceleration...sort of.
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2013, 05:32:14 pm »
I recall one of the Toyota congressional hearings in which a "victim" of UA recounted her harrowing tale.

How did she survive? "...and then God stopped the car." Going to try that next time.
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Re: Unintended acceleration...sort of.
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2013, 05:38:53 pm »
I recall one of the Toyota congressional hearings in which a "victim" of UA recounted her harrowing tale.

How did she survive? "...and then God stopped the car." Going to try that next time.

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Re: Unintended acceleration...sort of.
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2013, 05:42:02 pm »
I recall one of the Toyota congressional hearings in which a "victim" of UA recounted her harrowing tale.

How did she survive? "...and then God stopped the car." Going to try that next time.

I have ABS....never thought JCOACSTFCBS* was available here

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Re: Unintended acceleration...sort of.
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2013, 05:44:59 pm »
I recall one of the Toyota congressional hearings in which a "victim" of UA recounted her harrowing tale.

How did she survive? "...and then God stopped the car." Going to try that next time.

I have ABS....never thought JCOACSTFCBS* was available here

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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2013, 07:48:10 pm »
That would take common sense, look at all the idiots involved in crashes because of the Toyota acceleration business. Put in neutral, shut engine off, pull the e-brake, stand on the brakes......there are more options than just slamming into other road users if your car takes off. Also another reason I prefer the old cable style throttle cable to this cordless throttle pedal thing. My old trucks pedal got jammed, put truck into neutral, threw hazards on, popped hood, backed the throttle butterfly back to idle, sprayed lubricant onto cable sheath and throttle linkage....problem solved.

If you're disabled enough to need hand controls, how do you stand on the brakes?

I wonder if Renault did the modifications?


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Re: Unintended acceleration...sort of.
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2013, 07:49:48 pm »
That would take common sense, look at all the idiots involved in crashes because of the Toyota acceleration business. Put in neutral, shut engine off, pull the e-brake, stand on the brakes......there are more options than just slamming into other road users if your car takes off. Also another reason I prefer the old cable style throttle cable to this cordless throttle pedal thing. My old trucks pedal got jammed, put truck into neutral, threw hazards on, popped hood, backed the throttle butterfly back to idle, sprayed lubricant onto cable sheath and throttle linkage....problem solved.

If you're disabled enough to need hand controls, how do you stand on the brakes?

I wonder if Renault did the modifications?


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Re: Unintended acceleration...sort of.
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2013, 07:52:08 pm »


If you're disabled enough to need hand controls, how do you stand on the brakes?


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Re: Unintended acceleration...sort of.
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2013, 07:53:41 pm »


If you're disabled enough to need hand controls, how do you stand on the brakes?


Duh!!  It's called a HAND STAND!!   ;D

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2013, 08:14:15 pm »
That would take common sense, look at all the idiots involved in crashes because of the Toyota acceleration business. Put in neutral, shut engine off, pull the e-brake, stand on the brakes......there are more options than just slamming into other road users if your car takes off. Also another reason I prefer the old cable style throttle cable to this cordless throttle pedal thing. My old trucks pedal got jammed, put truck into neutral, threw hazards on, popped hood, backed the throttle butterfly back to idle, sprayed lubricant onto cable sheath and throttle linkage....problem solved.

If you're disabled enough to need hand controls, how do you stand on the brakes?

I wonder if Renault did the modifications?


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Re: Unintended acceleration...sort of.
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2013, 08:19:33 pm »


You think he didn't try?




Hard to tell.  People who have been in UA situation swear up and down that they had the brakes pushed 100%.  Then when they look at ECU logs, they see the gas was pushed 100% and the brake never touched.

Who can say what this guy did or didn't do.

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Re: Unintended acceleration...sort of.
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2013, 08:43:41 pm »
I know he didn't put it in Neutral LOL

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Re: Unintended acceleration...sort of.
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2013, 09:35:02 pm »
He didn't say a prayer before driving so God was angry with him.