Topic: Scion Dimension

[ArticSteve]

A BLAST TO DRIVE in other words imo , only MORE so . Perfect car for me .

@ $16K it might very well be a blast to drive.   The Scion @ 30K; I have my sincere doubts. 

[Erik]

A BLAST TO DRIVE in other words imo , only MORE so . Perfect car for me .

@ $16K it might very well be a blast to drive.   The Scion @ 30K; I have my sincere doubts. 

Who pissed in your corn flakes? Who exactly makes a $16K RWD sports coupe right now? Even Hyundai slashed their prices ONLY because they weren't selling the Genesis coupe. Plus, it will be of the vaunted Toyota quality that you have been preaching about in these parts for years. Yeah, I would like to see it at $25K also, but you gotta be a little bit realistic in pricing a niche product like this.

[Erik]

And what the heck is going on? Here I am, arguing against AS, in favour of Toyota!!!

[Sir Osis of Liver]

And what the heck is going on? Here I am, arguing against AS, in favour of Toyota!!!

[rrocket]

A BLAST TO DRIVE in other words imo , only MORE so . Perfect car for me .

@ $16K it might very well be a blast to drive.   The Scion @ 30K; I have my sincere doubts. 

Who pissed in your corn flakes? Who exactly makes a $16K RWD sports coupe right now? Even Hyundai slashed their prices ONLY because they weren't selling the Genesis coupe. Plus, it will be of the vaunted Toyota quality that you have been preaching about in these parts for years. Yeah, I would like to see it at $25K also, but you gotta be a little bit realistic in pricing a niche product like this.

He was referring to the $16K Mazda2 which someone said was "a blast to drive".  I don't think he was saying the Scion should be priced at $16K.

I too have my doubts.  For it to reach a good target weight, it would have to undercut the Scion TC by 300-400 pounds at least....

[Erik]

A BLAST TO DRIVE in other words imo , only MORE so . Perfect car for me .

@ $16K it might very well be a blast to drive.   The Scion @ 30K; I have my sincere doubts. 

Who pissed in your corn flakes? Who exactly makes a $16K RWD sports coupe right now? Even Hyundai slashed their prices ONLY because they weren't selling the Genesis coupe. Plus, it will be of the vaunted Toyota quality that you have been preaching about in these parts for years. Yeah, I would like to see it at $25K also, but you gotta be a little bit realistic in pricing a niche product like this.

He was referring to the $16K Mazda2 which someone said was "a blast to drive".  I don't think he was saying the Scion should be priced at $16K.

I too have my doubts.  For it to reach a good target weight, it would have to undercut the Scion TC by 300-400 pounds at least....

Oops. I see what you mean now. Sorry Steve!

[rrocket]

A BLAST TO DRIVE in other words imo , only MORE so . Perfect car for me .

@ $16K it might very well be a blast to drive.   The Scion @ 30K; I have my sincere doubts. 

Who pissed in your corn flakes? Who exactly makes a $16K RWD sports coupe right now? Even Hyundai slashed their prices ONLY because they weren't selling the Genesis coupe. Plus, it will be of the vaunted Toyota quality that you have been preaching about in these parts for years. Yeah, I would like to see it at $25K also, but you gotta be a little bit realistic in pricing a niche product like this.

He was referring to the $16K Mazda2 which someone said was "a blast to drive".  I don't think he was saying the Scion should be priced at $16K.

I too have my doubts.  For it to reach a good target weight, it would have to undercut the Scion TC by 300-400 pounds at least....

Oops. I see what you mean now. Sorry Steve!

I do that sometimes too...because I'm too lazy to read every post.

[ajay]

Rrocket , by making the 2 skyativ it will be lighter and more rigid, makes the car handle better . - the clutch & gear thing , the less body roll thing , lots of littlle things , sure f.e. was part of the goal but not at the detriment of zoom zoom , like Fords auto in the Fiesta is for example
 Both handling /fun to drive & f.e are all under one unbrella "skyactiv" to form a cohesive whole with no compromiises made ( for the  sake of f.e. for example )
So it will be a real fun car to drive when 2012 comes -  Scion as well - its excellent weight balance will make up for what ever it ends up weighing . Its like those well engineered Murphy beds that weigh 450 lbs that you can move up and down with just a finger (RESOURCE) -- because its perfectly balanced .

[rrocket]

Rrocket , by making the 2 skyativ it will be lighter and more rigid, makes the car handle better . - the clutch & gear thing , the less body roll thing , lots of littlle things , sure f.e. was part of the goal but not at the detriment of zoom zoom , like Fords auto in the Fiesta is for example
 Both handling /fun to drive & f.e are all under one unbrella "skyactiv" to form a cohesive whole with no compromiises made ( for the  sake of f.e. for example )
So it will be a real fun car to drive when 2012 comes -  Scion as well - its excellent weight balance will make up for what ever it ends up weighing . Its like those well engineered Murphy beds that weigh 450 lbs that you can move up and down with just a finger (RESOURCE) -- because its perfectly balanced .

At this point it's all speculation.  So I won't hold my breath. 

[EV Dan]

The 2 might compete with the Veloster, until the latter gets a turbo to go with its 1.6L thus making over 200hp and offering a choice of a manual or a 6spd DCT. But even with a NA engine it seems to be designed around the driver while the 2 around the price and then everything else.

[ajay]

I think the Veloster will be a very good car , but it won't be as light as the Accent with the same engine though it will handle better than the Accent I expect . I was hot for the turbo for quite awhile , but that slight turbo lag put me a little off them, will test one for sure to see if the hesitation off the line bothers me .
Rrocket , I prefer to call it educated guesses instead of speculation .

[rrocket]

I think the Veloster will be a very good car , but it won't be as light as the Accent with the same engine though it will handle better than the Accent I expect . I was hot for the turbo for quite awhile , but that slight turbo lag put me a little off them, will test one for sure to see if the hesitation off the line bothers me .
Rrocket , I prefer to call it educated guesses instead of speculation .

Whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy....

[ArticSteve]

Oops. I see what you mean now. Sorry Steve!
 
    

IMO, there are many, many Toyota ppl (dealers and fanboys) that are very disappointed in 2 ways:

1. That this much anticipated vehicle is been badged a Scion which is frankly a wimpy brand.  Good vehicles, good value, but wimpy.

2.  That is doesn't carry the punch to make it a truly thrilling ride.  Punch being what you'd expect out of a stock WRX.

Furthermore, upon even more painful reflection, if Nissan can drop a 1.6 DI turbo @188hp and177 lbs/T @2000 rpm, into a JUKE, weighing 2900 lbs. with 6 speed/AC, Pwr W/D/remote/cruise, etc., for $19,998. CDN then really .... WTF is going on with this "Scion" @ $29K.   

[Triple Bob]

Oops. I see what you mean now. Sorry Steve!
 
    

IMO, there are many, many Toyota ppl (dealers and fanboys) that are very disappointed in 2 ways:

1. That this much anticipated vehicle is been badged a Scion which is frankly a wimpy brand.  Good vehicles, good value, but wimpy.

2.  That is doesn't carry the punch to make it a truly thrilling ride.  Punch being what you'd expect out of a stock WRX.

Furthermore, upon even more painful reflection, if Nissan can drop a 1.6 DI turbo @188hp and177 lbs/T @2000 rpm, into a JUKE, weighing 2900 lbs. with 6 speed/AC, Pwr W/D/remote/cruise, etc., for $19,998. CDN then really .... WTF is going on with this "Scion" @ $29K.   

On looks alone I'd gladly pay $40K not to look at that hideous Nissan face.

[ArticSteve]

In that case, thank the Lord for everything Hyundai!

[DriverJeff]

Oops. I see what you mean now. Sorry Steve!
 
    

IMO, there are many, many Toyota ppl (dealers and fanboys) that are very disappointed in 2 ways:

1. That this much anticipated vehicle is been badged a Scion which is frankly a wimpy brand.  Good vehicles, good value, but wimpy.

2.  That is doesn't carry the punch to make it a truly thrilling ride.  Punch being what you'd expect out of a stock WRX.

Furthermore, upon even more painful reflection, if Nissan can drop a 1.6 DI turbo @188hp and177 lbs/T @2000 rpm, into a JUKE, weighing 2900 lbs. with 6 speed/AC, Pwr W/D/remote/cruise, etc., for $19,998. CDN then really .... WTF is going on with this "Scion" @ $29K.   

On looks alone I'd gladly pay $40K not to look at that hideous Nissan face.

But of course, not everyone is as exceedingly wealthy as you Lord Turbo of Chester.   

[Mike]

Oops. I see what you mean now. Sorry Steve!
 
    

IMO, there are many, many Toyota ppl (dealers and fanboys) that are very disappointed in 2 ways:

1. That this much anticipated vehicle is been badged a Scion which is frankly a wimpy brand.  Good vehicles, good value, but wimpy.

2.  That is doesn't carry the punch to make it a truly thrilling ride.  Punch being what you'd expect out of a stock WRX.

Furthermore, upon even more painful reflection, if Nissan can drop a 1.6 DI turbo @188hp and177 lbs/T @2000 rpm, into a JUKE, weighing 2900 lbs. with 6 speed/AC, Pwr W/D/remote/cruise, etc., for $19,998. CDN then really .... WTF is going on with this "Scion" @ $29K.   

Agreed.  If Subaru can put the turbo boxer motor into the WRX for just over 30K (which is over priced in Canada of course) why can't Scion?  I would argue the WRX would have more 'real production' cost as it has the whole AWD assembly (extra diff/shafts/etc).

[ajay]

Dan , quote
"The 2 might compete with the Veloster"
That could be the case ! Up until now I didn't think so at all -- Veloster will be a great sporty car - 2 different target groups ! - Mazda 2 is just a subcompact car ( that will be fun to drive ).

 But I guess both will have a 1.6 d.i. motors and 6 speeds , and the new Mazda 2 is really swoopier from the concept drawing so it might very well go after Velosters sales as a direct competitor - after the young crowd too ! (Going more upscale this time around for 2012 )
Heres the artist sketch of the Mazda 2 (2012)-- so swoopy !

http://news.drive.com.au/photogallery/drive/2012-mazda2-concept-20100903-14tew.html

Turbo Bob, the turbo Subbie has reliability issues . I wonder if that would discourage Toyota from making one .

[TopGun]

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.....if Nissan can drop a 1.6 DI turbo @188hp and177 lbs/T @2000 rpm, into a JUKE, weighing 2900 lbs. with 6 speed/AC, Pwr W/D/remote/cruise, etc., for $19,998. CDN then really .... WTF is going on with this "Scion" @ $29K.   

May 2011 MotorTrendy states that Scion had the Cayman as it's handling benchmark...which would be sweet indeed.

The article points to the fact that the boxer motor is key to achieving the handling target.  Producer Manager Toshio Masuda stated - "There is no other (production) engine that sits so low in the body.  Maybe the engine position is similar to Ferrari."

Another neat detail...that low engine means the drive shaft won't be slanted as much as most other rear drive cars.

[Erik]

.....
.....if Nissan can drop a 1.6 DI turbo @188hp and177 lbs/T @2000 rpm, into a JUKE, weighing 2900 lbs. with 6 speed/AC, Pwr W/D/remote/cruise, etc., for $19,998. CDN then really .... WTF is going on with this "Scion" @ $29K.   

May 2011 MotorTrendy states that Scion had the Cayman as it's handling benchmark...which would be sweet indeed.

The article points to the fact that the boxer motor is key to achieving the handling target.  Producer Manager Toshio Masuda stated - "There is no other (production) engine that sits so low in the body.  Maybe the engine position is similar to Ferrari."

Another neat detail...that low engine means the drive shaft won't be slanted as much as most other rear drive cars.

I was coming here to post the exact same thing. lol