Topic: Anyone worried about the price of gas?

[safristi]

..I'm oiling ! 20W/50 UP my garage sale 10 speed racer as we speak...................Kumbaya ...Raleigh @ the corner and chant.........the oil prices chart is out of date already Canada is no longer &0.95 cents a litre   $1.20 and rising with the Qaddafi tide...

[Ex-airbalancer]

..I'm oiling ! 20W/50 UP my garage sale 10 speed racer as we speak...................Kumbaya ...Raleigh @ the corner and chant.........the oil prices chart is out of date already Canada is no longer &0.95 cents a litre   $1.20 and rising with the Qaddafi tide...

I thought this was your bike

[safristi]

that's my WORK bike....for pickin' Up empties roadside...........the other is My Sport chick magnet machina............

[ktm525]

Ration gas. Everybody gets coupons for x number of gallons/wk. If you want more - you buy coupons from those that are driving fuel efficient cars and have surplus coupons. Same as companies and countries are doing with pollution.

Which would require another unwanted government department to issue vehicle owners coupons sent how     ..... in the mail    OR do you spend a day in a 10 hour line up at a Service Ontario site with your ID.  The amount of mail theft, counterfeiting and governmental corruption would be phenomenal.  Inter provincial vehicle travel would cease.

Pump price will be the mechanism that rations gas.

If it comes to shortages ppl living in suburbia, particularly with kids, are gonna see the value of their real estate crash and burn because suburbia is all about the car.  Gasoline bills for suburban 2 car active families is an easy $200 a week.  Increase that to $600 per week and that is really gonna take the mustard out of suburban life.

$200 a week in gas? Are you nuts? What type of suburb are you talking about 100 km away? I live in a "suburb" and our family vehicles are a G8 Gt and a V8 LR3 and my gas bill is nowhere near $200. Usually under $100 by a good margin.

Artic is most likely talking about the deep suburbs of Toronto where people can and do commute 60 km each way in stop and go traffic.  Places like Newmarket, Burlington, Oshawa  or even further.    At 10l/100 ( in that sort of traffic) that can be easily $70-80/week each car last week and more this week.

Why anyone would choose the lifestyle to sit in a car in traffic for a good chunk of their life is beyond me. Why?

[Ex-airbalancer]

Ration gas. Everybody gets coupons for x number of gallons/wk. If you want more - you buy coupons from those that are driving fuel efficient cars and have surplus coupons. Same as companies and countries are doing with pollution.

Which would require another unwanted government department to issue vehicle owners coupons sent how     ..... in the mail    OR do you spend a day in a 10 hour line up at a Service Ontario site with your ID.  The amount of mail theft, counterfeiting and governmental corruption would be phenomenal.  Inter provincial vehicle travel would cease.

Pump price will be the mechanism that rations gas.

If it comes to shortages ppl living in suburbia, particularly with kids, are gonna see the value of their real estate crash and burn because suburbia is all about the car.  Gasoline bills for suburban 2 car active families is an easy $200 a week.  Increase that to $600 per week and that is really gonna take the mustard out of suburban life.

$200 a week in gas? Are you nuts? What type of suburb are you talking about 100 km away? I live in a "suburb" and our family vehicles are a G8 Gt and a V8 LR3 and my gas bill is nowhere near $200. Usually under $100 by a good margin.

Artic is most likely talking about the deep suburbs of Toronto where people can and do commute 60 km each way in stop and go traffic.  Places like Newmarket, Burlington, Oshawa  or even further.    At 10l/100 ( in that sort of traffic) that can be easily $70-80/week each car last week and more this week.

Why anyone would choose the lifestyle to sit in a car in traffic for a good chunk of their life is beyond me. Why?

Have you seen the brown sky over the GTA ?

[tpl]

Artic is most likely talking about the deep suburbs of Toronto where people can and do commute 60 km each way in stop and go traffic.  Places like Newmarket, Burlington, Oshawa  or even further.    At 10l/100 ( in that sort of traffic) that can be easily $70-80/week each car last week and more this week.

Why anyone would choose the lifestyle to sit in a car in traffic for a good chunk of their life is beyond me. Why?

Because Toronto is one of the not all that many places in Canada where the jobs are.     A Job here defined as a skilled or professional job that is NOT working for any of the levels of Government.

Many people cannot afford to live in TO. Equally as many don't want to live in the city.  Therefore they commute from dormitory suburbs, usually based around places that were probably pleasant small towns in the '60s and before.  ( FWIW Guelph is just too far to commute to TO and this improves at as a place to live enormously)
 TO is bounded by a lake so all the traffic ( road or rail) has to enter within a 270 degree arc. For all kinds of bad(=stupid) political reasons there are few roads and fewer commuter trains. So all those people living in the 'burbs have a ghastly commute.   Some recent media article stated that TO 'burb dwellers have an average 88 minute commute and that was the worst in NA including LA.

KTM you don't tell us where "c" is but I presume it is some idyllic small town in Lotus Land.

Airb.  It IS much, much better than it was in the '90s before they took the sulphur out of gas and diesel

[ArticSteve]

I suppose ppl outside of the St. Catherines/Hamilton/Cambridge/KW/Caledon/Barrie/Oshawa circle of DOOM have little understanding of the degree of commuting that is done in southern Ontario or the sheer volume of traffic 7 days a week that has besieged the area.

When I mentioned $200 per week or 1/ 1/2 tanks of gas per car (2 car family), I was being conservative.

What a horrible situation to be in.  Watching any surplus cash you have been devoured by gas prices all the while been unable to move out of suburbia for financial and family reasons.  The one thing that made suburbia work was cheap and fast access.  Remove that and it's more akin to a debtor's prison. 

[ArticSteve]

TPL, I think you would be surprised the number of ppl in KW/Cambridge/Guelph that commute to Hamilton, Mississauga, Brampton.  Outbound 401 Mississauga can be plugged to highway 6 from 4pm forward.  Toronto QEW outbound plugged to Hamilton 3pm forward.

4pm from Bay Street outbound to 427   1 hour.

When I'm in TO I won't consider hitting the Gardner/QEW west until 7:30 pm.  DVP/404 .... don;t even think about it.

 

[tpl]

TPL, I think you would be surprised the number of ppl in KW/Cambridge/Guelph that commute to Hamilton, Mississauga, Brampton.  Outbound 401 Mississauga can be plugged to highway 6 from 4pm forward.  Toronto QEW outbound plugged to Hamilton 3pm forward.

4pm from Bay Street outbound to 427   1 hour.

When I'm in TO I won't consider hitting the Gardner/QEW west until 7:30 pm.  DVP/404 .... don;t even think about it.

 

No I wouldn't be surprised. Those trips  are a world of difference from having to to the Gardner or DVP  as you correctly say or the 401 across the city itself. I have done all those trips both morning and evening rush hour so I know what you mean.

My commute was from downtown TO to 404 & Buttonville   and back in the afternoon... the easy way and it often took an hour coming home for 26 km.   In the morning in the dark at 6:45 one could see solid slow southbound traffic north on the 404 ( looking from the little hill at 7) nearly all the way to Newmarket . That was 4 1/2 years back and its probably worse now.

That's why I agreed with your post that KTM did not believe.

[rrocket]

Just another reason I hate TO.  The traffic is just awful. 

I love living where there is zero traffic. 

[CanuckS2K]

Just another reason I hate TO.  The traffic is just awful. 

I love living where there is zero traffic. 

Agree.  I am fortunate that my daily commute is walking down a flight of stairs to my office, but there is no way I would want to commute in bumper to bumper traffic each day.  No thank you. 

[sailor723]

Wow. I feel for you guys. I live in a "sort of" suburb (still in the city limits but subdivision style (1/3-1/2 acre lots single family homes etc along the river) I'm about 8-10 minutes to uptown.

Small cities in the boonies do have some advantages.

[rrocket]

Wow. I feel for you guys. I live in a "sort of" suburb (still in the city limits but subdivision style (1/3-1/2 acre lots single family homes etc along the river) I'm about 8-10 minutes to uptown.

Small cities in the boonies do have some advantages.

+1.  I live about 40kms from Windsor, so about 30 minutes away.  But I'm 15 minutes away from a couple of small towns that have everything one might need. (Sobey's, CDN Tire, Timmie's, restaurants, fast food, etc).

Living away from the city is just awesome.  IQ who lived in the city before here, can't believe she lived in the city for so long.  She loves it out here...as do I.

[CanuckS2K]

Wow. I feel for you guys. I live in a "sort of" suburb (still in the city limits but subdivision style (1/3-1/2 acre lots single family homes etc along the river) I'm about 8-10 minutes to uptown.

Small cities in the boonies do have some advantages.

LOL, it sure does!  And we live in the largest city in NB too!  

I am actually outside of the city in the Hammond River area.  Four acres of waterfront land right on the river.  I love it!

[No H2O]

Why anyone would choose the lifestyle to sit in a car in traffic for a good chunk of their life is beyond me. Why?

When that company in TO called me regarding employment, the call lasted about 20 seconds on my part. I politely said, "no thank you". Besides, they'd have to pay me 4X what I am making to make it worth the aggravation, and even then. 

[tpl]

Whereas I really like living in the big city. But:  I was right downtown but on a quite residential street ( within hearing distance of the druggies shooting each other) and I commuted OUT of the city.

Guelph is OK now I have retired... a nice mid size town with, because of the uni, all the services one requires...but it is a bit quiet for me. I don't think our street has ever had a murder.

FWIW we lived in central London before we came to Canada so the traffic and the drivers in TO are nothing much to worry about. 

[mmret]

Toronto in terms of transportation infrastructure is pretty terrible.

Don't worry though they'll add some bike lanes.

[rrocket]

Toronto in terms of transportation infrastructure is pretty terrible.

Toronto in terms of most anything is pretty terrible...

[Ex-airbalancer]

Toronto in terms of transportation infrastructure is pretty terrible.

Don't worry though they'll add some bike lanes.

What wrong with bike lanes 

[saint_satan]

I can't count the number of opportunities I've passed up downtown.  I'd have to make a minimum of $20K more a year before I would even consider it.  At this point I drive 20 minutes and my wife 12.  If climbing the ladder means a 2.5 - 3 hour commute for me, I'll pass.


I could take the extra 10 -15 hours a week I'm not commuting and work at the local library and I would net the same amount as a "big promotion" - with half the stress.  If I could convince the wife, my next step would be to move to Bancroft or Cochrane.

SS