Author Topic: Bend over Canada (Read 5416 times)

vdk · « **Reply #20 on:** February 01, 2011, 08:02:03 pm »

Quote from: johngenx on February 01, 2011, 07:30:13 pm

We should ALL turn off cable and internet services, leaving only basic phone service. After a few months of no revenue, these fackers will get the message.

I'm thinking about switching off the cable. I have everything I want online - I don't remember the last time I watched something on TV. The home phone is next. We shall see how this experiment goes.

wing · « **Reply #21 on:** February 01, 2011, 08:10:53 pm »

My home phone is going may 1st, then cable too. So I can pay the $100 a month it will cost for Internet now.

EV Dan · « **Reply #22 on:** February 01, 2011, 08:34:45 pm »

I have two services I pay for that are Bell related, land line phone and the internet, both through Teksavvy, since Bell customer service nowadays appear to have moved to India, China and Costa Rica. If they fack it up any further, they will shoot themselves and maybe their reseller right in the asss.

Julie · « **Reply #23 on:** February 01, 2011, 08:37:58 pm »

Quote from: vdk on February 01, 2011, 08:02:03 pm

Quote from: johngenx on February 01, 2011, 07:30:13 pm
We should ALL turn off cable and internet services, leaving only basic phone service. After a few months of no revenue, these fackers will get the message.

I'm thinking about switching off the cable. I have everything I want online - I don't remember the last time I watched something on TV. The home phone is next. We shall see how this experiment goes.

Cable's already gone at my house. I need my landline for my house alarm, or else that would have been gone as well.

I don't miss cable at all. I watch all my TV shows on-line.

Railton · « **Reply #24 on:** February 01, 2011, 08:39:55 pm »

Quote from: Julie on February 01, 2011, 08:37:58 pm

Quote from: vdk on February 01, 2011, 08:02:03 pm
Quote from: johngenx on February 01, 2011, 07:30:13 pm
We should ALL turn off cable and internet services, leaving only basic phone service. After a few months of no revenue, these fackers will get the message.

I'm thinking about switching off the cable. I have everything I want online - I don't remember the last time I watched something on TV. The home phone is next. We shall see how this experiment goes.

Cable's already gone at my house. I need my landline for my house alarm, or else that would have been gone as well.

Same here.
Railton

tpl · « **Reply #25 on:** February 01, 2011, 09:22:10 pm »

Good on you guys getting rid of the evil monopolist services! Seriously.

Maybe then I,as the last remaining customer of Rogers, will actually get good service. Unlikely but not impossible.

One good thing that might come out of this is that another company, preferably one that does NOT own content, will find a business model to put in its own infrastructure. I hope so but don't expect to see it anytime soon. Something like Verizon's fibre to the home would do it...maybe done by Teksavvy with some funding from somewhere. I would not expect to see it except in "just right" places. Imho Guelph might be one of them.
A good sized uni, a compact centre of the city, fairly new infrastructure in its 'burbs and a reasonable size ( 120,000)

safristi · « **Reply #26 on:** February 01, 2011, 09:45:46 pm »

NETFLIX & an Apache SMOKE SIGNAL..............sounds like a scalping good time ta me.........K500K mo' savvy...............

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Sir Osis of Liver · « **Reply #27 on:** February 01, 2011, 10:05:38 pm »

Sasktel and Access have both stated that they will not be introducing caps (at this point anyway).

I'm loving this whole socialism thing!

johngenx · « **Reply #28 on:** February 01, 2011, 10:21:18 pm »

Quote from: Sir Osis of Liver on February 01, 2011, 10:05:38 pm

I'm loving this whole socialism thing!

Even in a capitalist system, monopolies should either by highly regulated or run under the public service.

mmret · « **Reply #29 on:** February 01, 2011, 10:35:16 pm »

Quote from: johngenx on February 01, 2011, 10:21:18 pm

Quote from: Sir Osis of Liver on February 01, 2011, 10:05:38 pm
I'm loving this whole socialism thing!

Even in a capitalist system, monopolies should either by highly regulated or run under the public service.

You kind of have to. Regulation of utilities is like chapter 3 in any 1st year microeconomics textbook.

vdk · « **Reply #30 on:** February 01, 2011, 10:59:34 pm »

Quote from: johngenx on February 01, 2011, 10:21:18 pm

Quote from: Sir Osis of Liver on February 01, 2011, 10:05:38 pm
I'm loving this whole socialism thing!

Even in a capitalist system, monopolies should either by highly regulated or run under the public service.

Regulated, preferably, by a commission who is not in their pockets.

johngenx · « **Reply #31 on:** February 01, 2011, 11:19:25 pm »

Quote from: mmret on February 01, 2011, 10:35:16 pm

You kind of have to. Regulation of utilities is like chapter 3 in any 1st year microeconomics textbook.

You should, but there are places where natural monopolies are not regulated, and they are massive profit generating machines for individuals.

Schmengie · « **Reply #32 on:** February 01, 2011, 11:21:48 pm »

Quote from: johngenx on February 01, 2011, 07:30:13 pm

We should ALL turn off cable and internet services, leaving only basic phone service. After a few months of no revenue, these fackers will get the message.

Yeah, like that's gonna happen. Those bastards have us hooked and they know it. Asking people to turn off their internet and cable is like asking them to stop breathing.

johngenx · « **Reply #33 on:** February 01, 2011, 11:29:22 pm »

Cable is not a necessity, but isn't access to internet part of the infrastructure of the country now? A rapidly growing percentage of commerce relies on the internet. One of our major advantages over the years has been our reliable telecommunications infrastructure, and I think the internet is part of that today. Not that we can't have telecom and cable companies building and selling access, but regulated returns and guaranteed affordable access might be required to ensure our country is not left in the dust thanks to the short-sighted profiteers in the business...

Ice · « **Reply #34 on:** February 01, 2011, 11:31:00 pm »

Quote from: airbalancer on February 01, 2011, 06:18:01 pm

Bell has had limits for years
What the big deal

That was my initial reaction (we have Cogeco) and then I did some reading. Some of the resellers offer different packages such as unlimited internet. It was a pretty good deal until the CRTC (no doubt pressured by Bell who the CRTC had pressured to open the market up to resellers) pretty much imposed the usage based billing. Resellers were forced to change their packages or absorb the exorbitant cost per GB of data.

It affects consumers and it affects the resellers which were supposed to increase competition. If they can't offer anything unique in their packaging then they will be in trouble. It's not good for competition.

The price... BTW per GB has been worked out to 3 cents. But Bell and Rogers want to charge much more. It's a huge profit maker.

At this point I'm in think that maybe it would be better for the government to pay Bell and Rogers the fair market price for the neighborhood wiring and transfer the ownership to the municipalities.

dr_spock · « **Reply #35 on:** February 01, 2011, 11:53:11 pm »

Turn off Internet, that's like asking people to stop buying gasoline.

We haven't had cable for a decade or two now. Wabbit ears is cheaper.

We have a Quebec ISP. They currently have a soft cap of 100GB -- Un client qui dépasse cette limite est transféré sur un serveur secondaire à plus basse priorité et peu subir des réductions de vitesses durant les heures d'utilisations normales. Mais no extra per GB charges on the bill. Not sure if that is going to change with the possible new CRTC ruling.

Dexer · « **Reply #36 on:** February 01, 2011, 11:58:44 pm »

Quote from: IceAndFire on February 01, 2011, 11:31:00 pm

At this point I'm in think that maybe it would be better for the government to pay Bell and Rogers the fair market price for the neighborhood wiring and transfer the ownership to the municipalities.

Yeah, there's a plan. Let the municipalities be responsible for the internet infrastructure.

On a related note, a dozen homes in Wnnipeg were just rendered uninhabitable after being flooded when a 104 year old watermain broke three days ago. One of the watermains serving the downtown core was installed in 1882.

But I'm sure the government and the taxpayers would do a much better job maintaining a network of fiberoptic cables.

Right?

johngenx · « **Reply #37 on:** February 02, 2011, 12:27:54 am »

Municipalities are having difficulty in keeping up with decaying infrastructure thanks to federal and provincial governments downloading their budget problems. We've watched our property taxes go from $160/month to $450/month in 10 years, but our city is still very cash strapped. The problem is the reduction in grants from other levels for major projects. We don't want to pay taxes, but we want free flowing roads, great water and sewage systems, good schools, health care and on and on.

There is no reason why internet can't function as regulated electrical utilities did for nearly forever. The structure was built by private firms that were given a guaranteed rate of return and the specs called for large capacity and incredible reliability.

Schmengie · « **Reply #38 on:** February 02, 2011, 01:18:27 am »

Quote from: johngenx on February 02, 2011, 12:27:54 am

Municipalities are having difficulty in keeping up with decaying infrastructure thanks to federal and provincial governments downloading their budget problems. We've watched our property taxes go from $160/month to $450/month in 10 years, but our city is still very cash strapped. The problem is the reduction in grants from other levels for major projects.

Holy crap, $5400 property taxes from less than $2000 in only 10 years? The reduction of federal and provincial grants to municipalities is a universal problem, but our taxes have increased by less than 40% over the same period, right now we're paying about $120 per month. There's gotta be more to that story than meets the eye.

The good news is that Telus isn't going to charge for 'excess' data usage, at least for now. Methinks they're probably waiting for the feds to rule on the CRTC's decision, but we'll see.

vdk · « **Reply #39 on:** February 02, 2011, 01:20:41 am »

Quote from: dr_spock on February 01, 2011, 11:53:11 pm

Turn off Internet, that's like asking people to stop buying gasoline.

We haven't had cable for a decade or two now. Wabbit ears is cheaper.

We have a Quebec ISP. They currently have a soft cap of 100GB -- Un client qui dépasse cette limite est transféré sur un serveur secondaire à plus basse priorité et peu subir des réductions de vitesses durant les heures d'utilisations normales. Mais no extra per GB charges on the bill. Not sure if that is going to change with the possible new CRTC ruling.

I like that.

That's how Rogers used to be IIRC.