Topic: CR Predicted Reliability List

[inco]

Boy oh boy - if the report from CD's list of cars was contentious - wait until you see this...

Small Cars – 32
1. Toyota Yaris
2. Honda Fit
3. Scion XD
30. Smart for two
31. Chevy Aveo*
32. Mini Cooper Clubman S*

Family Cars – 23
1. Fusion Hybrid
2. Fusion V6 FWD
3. Subaru Legacy
21. Chevrolet Impala
22. Chrysler Sebring Sedan
23. Dodge Avenger*

Coupes/Convertibles  - 8
1. Volvo C70
2. Infiniti G Coupe
3. Audi A5 Coupe
6. Chrysler Sebring convertible
7. Mini Cooper convertible*
8. Mercedes Benz E Class coupe*

Upscale Cars – 35
1. Acura TL
2. Lexus IS 250 sedan RWD
3. Lexus ES
33. Cadillac CTS V6 AWD
34. BMW 335i AWD
35. BMW 335i RWD*

Luxury Cars – 19
1. Acura RL
2. Mercedes Benz E class – V6 RWD
3. Infiniti M AWD
17. Lincoln MKS*
18. Audi A6 3.0T*
19. Jaguar XF*

2 Seat Sports Cars 6
1. Porsche Boxster
2. Corvette ZO6
3. Mazda MX5 Miata
4. Porsche Cayman
5. Corvette
6. Nissan 370Z Coupe

Sporty Cars
1. Mustang V6
2. Honda Civic Si
3. Volvo C30
17. Mini Cooper Hatchback S
18. Dodge Challenger
19. BMW 135i*

Small SUVs - 24
1. Honda CRV
2. Toyota RAV4 V6
3. Mitsubishi Outlander
21. & 22 Ford Escape/Mazda Tribute – tied
23. Jeep Liberty
24. Dodge Nitro

Midsize SUVs – 26
1. Toyota FJ Cruiser
2. Toyota Highlander 4 cyl.
3. Toyota Highlander V6
24. GMC Terrain 4 cyl.
25. Jeep Wrangler
26. Dodge Journey*

Upscale Compact SUVs – 8
1. Acura RDX
2. Volvo XC60
3. Infiniti EX
6. Cadillac SRX
7. Audi Q5
8. Mercedes Benz GLK

Large SUVs – 19
1. Ford Flex Ecoboost
2. Toyota Sequoia
3. Chevrolet Traverse FWD
17. GMC Acadia FWD
18. Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid
19. GMC Yukon Hybrid

Luxury SUVs – 21
1. Lexus LX
2. Acura MDX
3. Lincoln Navigator
19. BMW X5 TDI
20. BMW X5 6 cyl.*
21. Mercedes Benz GL Class TDI*

Wagons – 9
1. Subaru Outback 4 cyl.
2. VW Jetta 5cyl.
3. Toyota Venza V6
7. Subaru Outback 6 cyl.
8. VW Jetta TDI
9. Toyota Venza 4 cyl.

Compact Pickups – 14
1. Honda Ridgeline
2. Nissan Frontier 2WD
3. Ford Ranger 2WD
12. Dodge Dakota 4WD
13. – 14. Chevrolet Colorado 2WD/ GMC Canyon 2WD
Full Size Pickups -18
1. Toyota Tundra V6
2. Toyota Tundra V6 4WD
3. Ford F-150 V8 2WD
15. & 16. Chevrolet  Silverado/GMC Sierra V6 2WD
17. Nissan Titan 4WD
18. Nissan Titan 2WD

Minivans - 5 – Nissan and Honda Missing
1. Toyota Sienna V6 FWD
2. Kia Sedona
3. 4. & 5. Chrysler, Dodge & VW*

* Predicted Reliability - Poor

[inco]

Either people are not concerned or don't care about these ratings, or maybe they are non believers?

I thought for sure the two BMW 335s being ranked at the very bottom might have stirred some emotions. Same goes for the BMW 135 also ranked as poor.

Not that I'm picking on BMW because their are a lot of others at the bottom too - including the Dodge Journey that everyone wants to love. Even the Chryco Minivans, including the Routan are all at the bottom.

Another surprise is the Toyota FJ Cruiser being at the top of the 26 Midsize SUVs.

[tpl]

Well the Fit is #2 on the small cars which I'd say matches our experience.  Nothing at all has gone wrong, just two minor recalls in 4 years.
My GTI is either between  4 and 16 on the sporty cars or somewhere in the middle also on either small cars or family cars.   Only one thing has gone wrong in 2.75 years ( The DSG doesn't count as mine was fine and was replaced under a recall anyway)

Sooooo out of the "bad " cars I suppose I might have bought a 335, an E class or an A6 had there been no recession but I would not have even looked at the others so I guess the list is not much of a concern.

[CanuckS2K]

CR's predicted reliability ratings typically never give high marks for BMW (at least from what I've seen), so I really don't think it's much of a surprise.  Audi and MB typically never fair too well either.  

Personally, I really never got the whole "predicted reliability" thing.  

[Erik]

I must say I was surprised that the little Bimmers did so badly. Other than that, no big surprises there.

[rrocket]

I must say I was surprised that the little Bimmers did so badly. Other than that, no big surprises there.

They had some issues in the past with the turbos and boiling oil....wonder if that's the reason for the low reliability score?

[Mitlov]

I must say I was surprised that the little Bimmers did so badly. Other than that, no big surprises there.

If I recall correctly, the non-turbo Bimmers do do very well for a European brand.  The 328i is very solid, and even the technology-laden-and-highly-tuned M3 is more reliable than the _35i.  It's just the _35i which has had issues.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

I keep up with CR so I'm not too surprised by the results except for the Mustang V6 coming ahead of the Civic Si and the E-Class V6 coming in second in its class. Both of those are big changes from not too long ago.

[Mitlov]

I keep up with CR so I'm not too surprised by the results except for the Mustang V6 coming ahead of the Civic Si and the E-Class V6 coming in second in its class. Both of those are big changes from not too long ago.

Ford really did very well, and they're to be commended for that.  Several podium finishes.  Come a long way since the days of "Found On Road Daily."

[Frontier1]

Toyota Tundra and FJ is a farce

[Mitlov]

Toyota Tundra and FJ is a farce

This post makes the conjugation fairy cry.

[sailor723]

I'm a little surprised at the Cooper's poor ranking. It certainly doesn't fit with our experience so far (fingers crossed)

Now the SRX......unfortunately accurate  

[Mitlov]

I'm a little surprised at the Cooper's poor ranking. It certainly doesn't fit with our experience so far (fingers crossed)

Now the SRX......unfortunately accurate  

I've heard a lot of anecdotal accounts that match the Cooper's ranking.  Hopefully yours will continue to be reliable over time.

[rrocket]

Toyota Tundra and FJ is a farce

This post makes the conjugation fairy cry.

 

[CanuckS2K]

I'm a little surprised at the Cooper's poor ranking. It certainly doesn't fit with our experience so far (fingers crossed)

Now the SRX......unfortunately accurate  

Yeah, unfortunately true.  I've got two close friends that have an SRX and another one with an Escalade, and all of them are just dying to get rid of them due to continuous issues.  I am not sure how bad your issues have been but my two SRX buddies haven't had that much of a break in between shop times.  It's a shame. 

[Sir Osis of Liver]

I'm a little surprised at the Cooper's poor ranking. It certainly doesn't fit with our experience so far (fingers crossed)

Now the SRX......unfortunately accurate  

Yeah, unfortunately true.  I've got two close friends that have an SRX and another one with an Escalade, and all of them are just dying to get rid of them due to continuous issues.  I am not sure how bad your issues have been but my two SRX buddies haven't had that much of a break in between shop times.  It's a shame. 

I guess that brings up another eyebrow raiser, the Navigator coming in just behind the RX and MDX in the luxury SUV class. They used to be pretty poor reliability wise.

[Dante]

I see Mitsu Outlander continues to show up like a thorn in CR's reliability rankings since its launch in 2007. It certainly mirrors my personal experience.
The interesting thing is that IIRC some one posted here not too long ago the CR's manufacturer reliability ranking and while Mitsu was ranked high (#3 IIRC), the Outlander was the least reliable model and the Galant the most reliable model. However, I don't see the Galant at the top of its class.
Does anyone know how the Galant is ranked?

Where is the Forester and RAV4 I4? Is there something wrong with Toyota's newish I4s (2.5L and 2.7L)? I also see the Venza V6 at the top and the Venza I4 at the bottom.

[sailor723]

I'm a little surprised at the Cooper's poor ranking. It certainly doesn't fit with our experience so far (fingers crossed)

Now the SRX......unfortunately accurate  

Yeah, unfortunately true.  I've got two close friends that have an SRX and another one with an Escalade, and all of them are just dying to get rid of them due to continuous issues.  I am not sure how bad your issues have been but my two SRX buddies haven't had that much of a break in between shop times.  It's a shame. 

Mine hasn't been really awful...more annoying than anything  (wheel bearings,wiper motor, suspension parts,trim pieces, too frequent brake work, AC leaks,TPMS sensors  etc) Up until last Oct it was mostly warranty stuff. Now the passenger overhead assist handle pulled off in my hand and the driver's side view mirror stopped working    The real pain is having to keep taking it into Bretts ( not the best service experience I've ever had by a long shot )

[rrocket]

I guess that brings up another eyebrow raiser, the Navigator coming in just behind the RX and MDX in the luxury SUV class. They used to be pretty poor reliability wise.

But they've been building it so long with little in the way of changes, so maybe they have the bugs worked out??

[CanuckS2K]

I'm a little surprised at the Cooper's poor ranking. It certainly doesn't fit with our experience so far (fingers crossed)

Now the SRX......unfortunately accurate  

Yeah, unfortunately true.  I've got two close friends that have an SRX and another one with an Escalade, and all of them are just dying to get rid of them due to continuous issues.  I am not sure how bad your issues have been but my two SRX buddies haven't had that much of a break in between shop times.  It's a shame. 

Mine hasn't been really awful...more annoying than anything  (wheel bearings,wiper motor, suspension parts,trim pieces, too frequent brake work, AC leaks,TPMS sensors  etc) Up until last Oct it was mostly warranty stuff. Now the passenger overhead assist handle pulled off in my hand and the driver's side view mirror stopped working    The real pain is having to keep taking it into Bretts ( not the best service experience I've ever had by a long shot )

You obviously live in the SJ or surrounding area then if you are taking it to Bretts.  That's where I am as well and where my buddies take their SRXs and Escalade......none of them have too many nice words to say about Bretts.