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Can gutter screens actually cause ice dams on roof's edge?
« on: December 14, 2010, 05:02:46 pm »
I posted this same message on a home improvement web site and got zero responses. I thought I would give it a try here.

I was wondering if anyone here has installed gutter screens and seen them be the cause of ice build up.

Here was my posting:

This year I had gutter screens installed. They are rigid metal ones that are screwed in. They have fine holes in them. They have been great. No debris has accumulated on them all the leaves just blew off.

Now that winter is here I am afraid they may have created a problem. I noticed on back of house there is about a 3 inch layer of ice across most of the gutter. I went on a ladder to checked roof today and the ice is only on the gutter. There is no ice on the roof (just snow). If I brush the snow away along the edge I see the shingles.

My house was renovated in 2006. I been in it for 3 Montreal winters there has been zero problems with ice or icicles. None at all. The house has been great in that respect.

Now I am worried that these gutter screens are going to cause problems in winter. Right now the ice on top of the gutter is level with the leading edge of the shingles.

Could the gutter screens be the cause of the ice build up? I do not even understand what heat source would cause the snow to melt and turn to ice. Weird......

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Re: Can gutter screens actually cause ice dams on roof's edge?
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2010, 05:29:38 pm »
Water running down the roof will settle on the screen and over time could build up I guess, but warm days would melt it first and solve that problem. At first I thought you meant water had built up in the trough and since that isn't happening I don't see it as being a problem.

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Re: Can gutter screens actually cause ice dams on roof's edge?
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2010, 09:00:50 pm »
I usually have ice problems at the edge of my roof because of the design of my house (a cape cod cottage).

My understanding with ice dams is that they form when water hits cold metal, so I would think anything metal would cause the problem... but I'm no professional.

Here a link that may be useful

http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/co/maho/gemare/gemare_001.cfm

I had some insulation work done this past summer and a wire installed along the edge of the roof, to hopefully minimize ice build up. It's on a thermostat, so I just plug it in and leave it... but I'm not sure if it's doing any good. Damn those icicles look big now.  :-\

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Re: Can gutter screens actually cause ice dams on roof's edge?
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2010, 09:04:15 pm »
I see a house in my area has those heater wires on the first 3 feet of the roof to keep the snow melted....Wonder if you could put one of those on the grate?
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Re: Can gutter screens actually cause ice dams on roof's edge?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2010, 12:04:44 pm »
I've wondered the same thing, so didn't bother putting any guards  on mine...

Someone really needs to design a better eavestrough - something that will handle rain/ice/snow/leaves/debris without maintenance.     

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Re: Can gutter screens actually cause ice dams on roof's edge?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2011, 07:37:55 am »
Your attic doesn't have enough ventilation to the outside.

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Re: Can gutter screens actually cause ice dams on roof's edge?
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2011, 08:25:22 am »
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Re: Can gutter screens actually cause ice dams on roof's edge?
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2011, 08:50:22 am »
Your attic doesn't have enough ventilation to the outside.
I believe he already wrote the house had been renovated with 0 ice problems for three years. His problem with ice has just been since he installed gutter shields.
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Re: Can gutter screens actually cause ice dams on roof's edge?
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2011, 11:30:33 am »
Your attic doesn't have enough ventilation to the outside.

I agree.  Warm air is reaching the singles one way or the other.  "Renovation" seldom tackles an inadequate rafter design. 

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Re: Can gutter screens actually cause ice dams on roof's edge?
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2011, 11:41:10 am »
Your attic doesn't have enough ventilation to the outside.

I agree.  Warm air is reaching the singles one way or the other.  "Renovation" seldom tackles an inadequate rafter design. 
He said he has not had any previous issue with his roof. I'm not going to speculate.
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Re: Can gutter screens actually cause ice dams on roof's edge?
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2011, 12:33:14 pm »
..Have you had a couple of FREEZE/ THAW cycles.............and are the gutters overflowing................. ???..............
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Re: Can gutter screens actually cause ice dams on roof's edge?
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2011, 04:18:34 pm »
Your attic doesn't have enough ventilation to the outside.

I agree.  Warm air is reaching the singles one way or the other.  "Renovation" seldom tackles an inadequate rafter design. 
He said he has not had any previous issue with his roof. I'm not going to speculate.
Shows up some pics of your current rafter ventilation Slybry. :ttiwwp:
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Sheesh.  He didn't have any issues HE WAS AWARE OF.  Combination probably of warm water hitting the cold air/steel and since the gutters now have shielding on them, the water is probably freezing on top of the shielding rather than inside the troughs which in all probability it was doing before and not visible. 

From experience, the best kind of gutter screening/guards are the ones that look like a grate in a diamond pattern and are made out of metal (usually aluminum),  they still allow the little stuff through but also provide plenty of drainage and stop the big stuff from getting in.

Once the spring comes and the ice melts, have a look where the eave troughs connect to the fascia and look for signs of water damage / staining.  The best way to find the solution is the process of elimination. 

As Railton says though.... we need to see pictures to determine what the slope of your roof is etc.....

The last few winters we've had were mild.... maybe that's why it wasn't noticed.  I dunno.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2011, 04:20:35 pm by Wetson »

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Re: Can gutter screens actually cause ice dams on roof's edge?
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2011, 07:22:05 pm »
As Railton says though.... we need to see pictures to determine what the slope of your roof is etc.....

What we need is pics taken from inside the attic directed towards were the rafters (assuming rafters) contact the top plate of the wall.  That should solve the mystery.  :popo: