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Re: Test Drive: 2011 Subaru WRX Sedan
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2010, 06:01:38 pm »
there's always the comments.... why not a 6spd (from journalist or non-owners)...  reality is subaru doesn't have much out there in tranmissions....

the 6spd in the base legacy can't take the power... it's not meant for 250+ hp.  You can't come close to comparing to the STI 6spd.  STI tranmission is massive.  Current wrx transmission uses the revised 5spd from the Legacy GT. (2005+). 

For working/servicing, they're very easy to work on... and parts are readily available.

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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2010, 09:53:53 pm »
In all honesty I quite like the 5 speed. Simple and effective.
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2010, 02:05:18 am »
the 6spd in the base legacy can't take the power... it's not meant for 250+ hp.  You can't come close to comparing to the STI 6spd.  STI tranmission is massive.  Current wrx transmission uses the revised 5spd from the Legacy GT. (2005+). 


I was thinking about using the 6-speed from the current 2010 legacy gt.
is it the same as the sti, or completely different?  my understanding is that it's similar to the sti's, but with longer gears, and a different final drive, or am i completely mistaken?

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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2010, 08:39:20 am »
the 6spd in the base legacy can't take the power... it's not meant for 250+ hp.  You can't come close to comparing to the STI 6spd.  STI tranmission is massive.  Current wrx transmission uses the revised 5spd from the Legacy GT. (2005+). 


I was thinking about using the 6-speed from the current 2010 legacy gt.
is it the same as the sti, or completely different?  my understanding is that it's similar to the sti's, but with longer gears, and a different final drive, or am i completely mistaken?

It's the same as the WRX with an extra cog.

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« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2010, 11:29:42 am »

And you are right, the WRX may not be a full out performance car, but publications like Car and Driver have had it around a race track faster then a STI for its worth.  It is alo the fastest WRX (non STI) to date. Also, I have driven a Ford Fusion AWD Sport.  Nice car, I was quite imprssed by it.  However, it is an Automatic only FWD family sedan that has some power sent to the rear wheels only when the front wheels lose grip.  The Subaru sends 50 to the front and 50 to the rear at all times.  You can really notice the difference between the systems when driving in the rain, on dirt or in the snow or in aggressive hooligan style driving.

See, never gave that a thought - the 50:50 split.  The Subie would be more fun no doubt, being a 5 spd and all, and who knows, maybe it's one of those cars that looks better in person than on the net.  
I thought Ford's AWD system was supposed to be pretty hi-tech, able to split torque wheel to wheel, not just front to back.  Better than the one they use in the Taurus anyway.  Better than 2wd in snow in any case.
I've driven neither car, I should make it a point though.  Even an older Legacy with the 3.0 would be nice.  I'd love the AWD for oh, right about now.  
I may be over 40, but I still get a kick out of putting the truck sideways in the snow, I have no doubt I'd be doing the same with a WRX, or Sport (if it'd let me).  I guess for me the biggest thing would be, "can it haul the goalie equipment in the trunk and 4 people?"  :)  Can't do that...can't make the cut.


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Re: Test Drive: 2011 Subaru WRX Sedan
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2010, 11:54:35 am »
I may be over 40, but I still get a kick out of putting the truck sideways in the snow, I have no doubt I'd be doing the same with a WRX, or Sport (if it'd let me).  I guess for me the biggest thing would be, "can it haul the goalie equipment in the trunk and 4 people?"  :)  Can't do that...can't make the cut.



I've gotta admit, my Legacy GT wagon does that pretty darned well :) If you need cargo space but still want a fun, relatively tossable car, they're hard to beat - also hard to find, unfortunately. :(

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« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2010, 01:42:05 pm »

...Legacy GT wagon ... hard to find, unfortunately. :(

No kidding - especially one with a stick.  Too bad the rear seat legroom was a bit of a show stopper for us - w/ a rear facing baby seat my avg height missus had to have her seat right to the dash.  The baby seat was one of the smaller ones too.

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Re: Test Drive: 2011 Subaru WRX Sedan
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2010, 02:20:15 pm »

...Legacy GT wagon ... hard to find, unfortunately. :(

No kidding - especially one with a stick.  Too bad the rear seat legroom was a bit of a show stopper for us - w/ a rear facing baby seat my avg height missus had to have her seat right to the dash.  The baby seat was one of the smaller ones too.


yeah i have to admit, the rear seat legroom is mediocre at best. I rarely have people back there so it hasn't been much of an issue, but i can certainly see it being a dealbreaker for some. I think the new Legacy has addressed this.

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« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2010, 02:52:39 pm »
The 2010+ legacy are bigger / ton of room for rear passengers.

I know in my 2011wrx sedan, rear passenger have lots more room compared to previous 2002-07 impreza (inc. wrx/sti).

With the multilink suspension, the rear trunk isn't massive though.  Seats fold down easily though as didn't on 1998-2007 impreza sedan/coupes.  with the rear suspension, it actually takes a bit of of the trunk space....

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« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2010, 04:27:01 pm »

... I think the new Legacy has addressed this.

Yeah but have you seen the JDM Legacy Wagon!?!  Definately not the clean crisp design of the previous generation.  It reminds me of the curmudgen balcony critics from the muppet show.

The new impreza platform is a give and take for rear legroom/cargo area.  I was able to take 4 adults on a weekend car camping trip w/an 04 Impreza with ALL of our stuff in the cargo area and we don't camp light.  Was highly impressed (although I must say I am one heck of a car packer...)

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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2010, 12:54:02 am »
0-60 in 5 seconds.... Im wondering why nobody, not even the article has mentioned it yet.  
I think its one of the wrx's best selling points.

Oh yah, having 0-60 times being no different in the rain or dry, thats just awesome. 

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Re: Test Drive: 2011 Subaru WRX Sedan
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2010, 11:34:06 am »

Yeah but have you seen the JDM Legacy Wagon!?!  Definately not the clean crisp design of the previous generation.  It reminds me of the curmudgen balcony critics from the muppet show.

Just looked at a photo of it:

http://www.netcarshow.com/Subaru-Legacy_Wagon_JDM-2010-wallpaper.jpg

I agree, it's no beauty queen, but it's not too bad. The fact that it's a wagon with a turbo and, i'm assuming, a manual, forgives a lot of "wrong," in my book. Now if they'd just send it over this way  :P

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Re: Test Drive: 2011 Subaru WRX Sedan
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2010, 07:21:57 pm »
For working/servicing, they're very easy to work on... and parts are readily available.

Subaru?  Easy to work on? I don't really think so... spark plugs or fuel injectors alone are a nightmare compared to many conventional engines...

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Re: Test Drive: 2011 Subaru WRX Sedan
« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2010, 08:57:32 am »
The 2010+ legacy are bigger / ton of room for rear passengers.

I know in my 2011wrx sedan, rear passenger have lots more room compared to previous 2002-07 impreza (inc. wrx/sti).

With the multilink suspension, the rear trunk isn't massive though.  Seats fold down easily though as didn't on 1998-2007 impreza sedan/coupes.  with the rear suspension, it actually takes a bit of of the trunk space....

The hatch would have solved your trunk issues.  ;D

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Re: Test Drive: 2011 Subaru WRX Sedan
« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2010, 08:59:11 am »
0-60 in 5 seconds.... Im wondering why nobody, not even the article has mentioned it yet.  
I think its one of the wrx's best selling points.

Oh yah, having 0-60 times being no different in the rain or dry, thats just awesome. 

0-60 in 4.5-4.7 for the '10 model depending on who you quote.  However, unlike a torque-monster muscle car, achiveing that time is a clutch-smoking assualt on your drivetrain.  Do it enough and you'll be doing 0-60 on your feet.

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Re: Test Drive: 2011 Subaru WRX Sedan
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2010, 11:24:28 am »
0-60 in 5 seconds.... Im wondering why nobody, not even the article has mentioned it yet.  
I think its one of the wrx's best selling points.

Oh yah, having 0-60 times being no different in the rain or dry, thats just awesome. 

0-60 in 4.5-4.7 for the '10 model depending on who you quote.  However, unlike a torque-monster muscle car, achiveing that time is a clutch-smoking assualt on your drivetrain.  Do it enough and you'll be doing 0-60 on your feet.

Exactly.  You pretty much have to dump the clutch at redline and even then you have to practice to get a perfect launch otherwise the car can bog.  I can't see anyone doing that on a public road more than once to get it out of their system  ;D

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Re: Test Drive: 2011 Subaru WRX Sedan
« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2010, 11:25:36 am »
I've done it once for a video shoot and will do it once more next summer on a road rally.  That is about it for me.

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« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2010, 03:38:26 pm »
"Even though the shifter is sorely in need of a sixth cog..."

I own a 2010 (same tranny) and I beg to differ. It most certainly doesn't need a 6th speed. It could pull stumps with first gear and 5th runs the engine at about 2700 RPM at 110 km/h. I think the reason the WRX is a tad faster to 100 than the STI is because of this tranny.

Anyhow, it's just my opinion.

In the end, I LOVE this car and would highly recommend it to anyone interested. It's got a nice firm ride without being harsh, handles well enough and has lots of power. Yes, the seats aren't the greatest, the interior plastics are so-so and forget about the audio system, but as a complete package the car is fantastic.

The thing I really like about it is the ease of upgrading this vehicle. Cobb AccessPort, downpipe and cold air intake (about $1000) and you'll get about 300 reliable horseys. Handling components are cheap and plentiful as well.

My last vehicle was an Acura RSX Type S and it sorely disappointed me in all the things I've talked about.


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Re: Test Drive: 2011 Subaru WRX Sedan
« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2010, 08:51:22 am »
"Even though the shifter is sorely in need of a sixth cog..."

I own a 2010 (same tranny) and I beg to differ. It most certainly doesn't need a 6th speed. It could pull stumps with first gear and 5th runs the engine at about 2700 RPM at 110 km/h. I think the reason the WRX is a tad faster to 100 than the STI is because of this tranny.



I think most that wish for the extra 6th gear are hoping for something that runs the engine closer to 2000RPM at 110-120 km/h; i.e. a dedicated highway gear?  I agree that a 6th close-ratio gear doesn't realistically add much.

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Re: Test Drive: 2011 Subaru WRX Sedan
« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2010, 08:55:31 am »
I think most that wish for the extra 6th gear are hoping for something that runs the engine closer to 2000RPM at 110-120 km/h; i.e. a dedicated highway gear?  I agree that a 6th close-ratio gear doesn't realistically add much.

Agree with this.  Though it isn't absolutely necessary, a real long gear for highway cruising wouldn't be a bad addition.

But truly, I'm no commuter so I don't really care.