Topic: 2011 Buick Regal CXL; Day 1

[TopGun]

The Legacy is slower still, yet only two pages were spent on it. This is just a platform for the anti-GM contingent.

This car will appeal to traditional Buick buyers, and may pick off a few near/lux sports sedan buyers. The Turbo may pick off a few more. The proposed high output version a few more. Sounds like a pretty good starting point for success.

Nice try Sir O.

I've been away from this forum for several days on a road trip...am I glad to be back?   

[Sir Osis of Liver]

The Legacy is slower still,

The Legacy isn't a premiun / near luxury sports sedan.

This is just a platform for the anti-GM contingent.

Lame excuse for a lame product.

This car will appeal to traditional Buick buyers..

Traditional midsize sedan Buick buyers generally aren't 4-pot buyers.

Sounds like a pretty good starting point for success.

To you and my pet troll, anyway.

PS - if you find all the posts devoted to this thread bothersome in some way, why have you made so many recent and repetitive entries?

PPS - Have you even driven this vehicle?

Too bad I don't have a car next week, this thread will be beaten to death for the next week...

Quick start one on your truck!!!!!!!

 

Jaeger

The Legacy 2.5i Sport Package auto at $29,195.00 disagrees with your assessment. Or maybe the 2.5i Limited Package with Multimedia Option, only $34,295.00. How could anyone want a car so expensive that's so slow?

I have. I quite like the car as is. I'm waiting for the turbo with the manual (MSRP $34,990 almost the same price as the 170hp Legacy Limited), because I like rowing my own.

Traditional Buick owners don't really care what's under the hood as long as it's adequate.

You accuse me of being repetitive? How many times have you said the Regal was too slow again? You've been trolling  this link for 8 pages now! On a car you don't like!

[Sir Osis of Liver]

The Legacy is slower still, yet only two pages were spent on it. This is just a platform for the anti-GM contingent.

This car will appeal to traditional Buick buyers, and may pick off a few near/lux sports sedan buyers. The Turbo may pick off a few more. The proposed high output version a few more. Sounds like a pretty good starting point for success.

Nice try Sir O.

I've been away from this forum for several days on a road trip...am I glad to be back?   

I was camping over the weekend. It's kind of rainy today, so I'm kind of killing time.

[dougjp]

[Jaeger]

I have. I quite like the car as is. I'm waiting for the turbo with the manual, because I like rowing my own.

I'm waiting on the turbo manual, too.  I suspect the slug defect will be cured with this model.

Traditional Buick owners don't really care what's under the hood as long as it's adequate.

Too bad it isn't.

You accuse me of being repetitive? How many times have you said the Regal was too slow again? You've been trolling  this link for 8 pages now! On a car you don't like!

Not an accusation - an observation.  I'm not in one breath complaining about the length of the thread, and yet repeatedly contributing to its ever-growing length.

Indeed, I don't really get the complaints about the length of the thread in general - so long as the actual merits (or significant lack thereof) of the vehicle are being discussed.

Funny how quickly you brand those possessed of a different view than yours as "trolls".  I've been participating in this trhead because I'm interested in the vehicle.  Interested enough to have taken a test drive.  No doubt if I had been overwhelmingly impressed with every aspect of it, you and other GM slappies would have no objection to my saying so as often as I chose - right?  I thought so.

As you were.

Jaeger

[toolatecrew]

  Out of Buick’s 53 percent volume gain, retail sales increased only 28 percent.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-core-brand-sales-up-36-percent-in-june-on-strong-fleet-sales/

Its only anecdotal but I've seen and driven a ton of rental Buick Allure's but only rented an Infiniti once and an Audi never

So they "only" had a 28% increase in retail sales for June over June 2009. Yeah, that's awful.

No that's not correct 28% of their Sales increase was retail. Meaning 3263 of the extra car they sold were fleet and 1269 were retail.

Based on GMs pas fleet sales (31%) we can do a quick calcualtion to see last year they sold 5935 retail and 2666 fleet.

So retail sales rose 21%
Fleet Sales rose an astounding 122%



Yeah June 2009 when they FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY was clearly one of the high water mark months for Buick sales in history.

What a great accomplishment to increase retail sales 21% vs a bankrupt car company..amazing.

The Lacrosse is by far the #1 fleet vehicle for Buick. The Lacrosse accounted for 77% of Buicks sales increase.

I think its pretty clear what happened. GM bottomed out when they wen bankrupt. They sold a ton of Lacrosse to rental fleets this June.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

  Out of Buick’s 53 percent volume gain, retail sales increased only 28 percent.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-core-brand-sales-up-36-percent-in-june-on-strong-fleet-sales/

Its only anecdotal but I've seen and driven a ton of rental Buick Allure's but only rented an Infiniti once and an Audi never

So they "only" had a 28% increase in retail sales for June over June 2009. Yeah, that's awful.

No that's not correct 28% of their Sales increase was retail. Meaning 3263 of the extra car they sold were fleet and 1269 were retail.

Based on GMs pas fleet sales (31%) we can do a quick calcualtion to see last year they sold 5935 retail and 2666 fleet.

So retail sales rose 21%
Fleet Sales rose an astounding 122%



Yeah June 2009 when they FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY was clearly one of the high water mark months for Buick sales in history.

What a great accomplishment to increase retail sales 21% vs a bankrupt car company..amazing.

The Lacrosse is by far the #1 fleet vehicle for Buick. The Lacrosse accounted for 77% of Buicks sales increase.

I think its pretty clear what happened. GM bottomed out when they wen bankrupt. They sold a ton of Lacrosse to rental fleets this June.

Out of Buick’s 53 percent volume gain, retail sales increased only 28 percent.

Regardless of what fleet sales are doing, retail sales are up 28%. Awful.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Too bad it isn't.

So you are the ultimate authority on what constitutes adequate acceleration. Got it. I mustn't have read that memo.

Certainly nothing trollish about this:

 

you and other GM slappies would have no objection to my saying so as often as I chose - right?  I thought so.

Especially funny because I currently drive a Subaru, and the only real GM car I ever had was a 1968 Buick Wildcat.

[Jaeger]

Yeah June 2009 when they FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY was clearly one of the high water mark months for Buick sales in history.

What a great accomplishment to increase retail sales 21% vs a bankrupt car company..amazing.

The Lacrosse is by far the #1 fleet vehicle for Buick. The Lacrosse accounted for 77% of Buicks sales increase.

I think its pretty clear what happened. GM bottomed out when they wen bankrupt. They sold a ton of Lacrosse to rental fleets this June.

So true.  Let's strike up the band for that one.  I read a good book once - called "How to Lie with Statistics" or something close to that.  Your response above would have made a good example of calling out misleading stats for what they are.

SirO - you don't have to own a GM product to be a slappy.  You just have to be blind to any deficiencies in the product and claim that any criticism of same is motivated by "anti-GM bias".  If the shoe fits....

Jaeger

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Yeah June 2009 when they FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY was clearly one of the high water mark months for Buick sales in history.

What a great accomplishment to increase retail sales 21% vs a bankrupt car company..amazing.

The Lacrosse is by far the #1 fleet vehicle for Buick. The Lacrosse accounted for 77% of Buicks sales increase.

I think its pretty clear what happened. GM bottomed out when they wen bankrupt. They sold a ton of Lacrosse to rental fleets this June.

So true.  Let's strike up the band for that one.  I read a good book once - called "How to Lie with Statistics" or something close to that.  Your response above would have made a good example of calling out misleading stats for what they are.

Jaeger

Still being extant a year later was a pretty good accomplishment. Double digit sales growth is fairly amazing.

Hey, let's look at July:

[Jaeger]

Still being extant a year later was a pretty good accomplishment. Double digit sales growth is fairly amazing.

Considering the substantial helping hand they received, that's setting an awfully low bar for what constitues an "accomplishment".  And if you are "amazed" at double-digit sales growth relative to that which saw them falling into bankruptcy, methinks you are either very easily impressed or a slightly hyper spin-doctor.

Jaeger

[Sir Osis of Liver]

"Spin-doctor", "amazed" and "easily impressed" re. mentally dull, "GM slappy". Wow. When all else fails go for the old ad hominem eh?

If the products were really poor, a company exiting bankruptcy wouldn't be able to move them at all. But they aren't. They aren't necessarily my cup of tea, but the Lacross, Lucern and the Enclave are pretty good at what they do. And they are selling pretty well given the cloud of Government Motors over their heads.

[Jaeger]

"Spin-doctor", "amazed" and "easily impressed" re. mentally dull, "GM slappy". Wow. When all else fails go for the old ad hominem eh?

If the products were really poor, a company exiting bankruptcy wouldn't be able to move them at all. But they aren't. They aren't necessarily my cup of tea, but the Lacross, Lucern and the Enclave are pretty good at what they do. And they are selling pretty well given the cloud of Government Motors over their heads.

When all else fails, grab some Latin eh? If the products were so "amazing" the company wouldn't have staggered into bankruptcy in the first place.  Yes, the LaCrosse and Enclave are pretty good - but this thread is about the gutless Regal "sports sedan".

Jaeger

[Sir Osis of Liver]

"Spin-doctor", "amazed" and "easily impressed" re. mentally dull, "GM slappy". Wow. When all else fails go for the old ad hominem eh?

If the products were really poor, a company exiting bankruptcy wouldn't be able to move them at all. But they aren't. They aren't necessarily my cup of tea, but the Lacross, Lucern and the Enclave are pretty good at what they do. And they are selling pretty well given the cloud of Government Motors over their heads.

When all else fails, grab some Latin eh? If the products were so "amazing" the company wouldn't have staggered into bankruptcy in the first place.  Yes, the LaCrosse and Enclave are pretty good - but this thread is about the gutless Regal "sports sedan".

Jaeger

GM's bankruptcy had much more to do with legacy costs and the financial meltdown than any of the cars they've been selling over the last number of years.

The Regal is gutless to you, which is irrelevant to me.

[rrocket]

GM's bankruptcy had much more to do with legacy costs and the financial meltdown than any of the cars they've been selling over the last number of years.

Warranty work on bad cars is considered a legacy cost.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

GM's bankruptcy had much more to do with legacy costs and the financial meltdown than any of the cars they've been selling over the last number of years.

Warranty work on bad cars is considered a legacy cost.

Yup.

[sirAQUAMAN64]

But...


...does it have a timing belt or chain? 



Please discuss the merits of each 


 

[Sir Osis of Liver]

But...


...does it have a timing belt or chain? 



Please discuss the merits of each 


 

Now your talking!

[rrocket]

GM's bankruptcy had much more to do with legacy costs and the financial meltdown than any of the cars they've been selling over the last number of years.

Warranty work on bad cars is considered a legacy cost.

Yup.

Well then don't say it had little to do with any of the cars they were selling, because it did.  GM even acknowledged this.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

GM's bankruptcy had much more to do with legacy costs and the financial meltdown than any of the cars they've been selling over the last number of years.

Warranty work on bad cars is considered a legacy cost.

Yup.

Well then don't say it had little to do with any of the cars they were selling, because it did.  GM even acknowledged this.

"Last [few] number of years" is kind of important there.
Compared to healthcare underfunding, the warranty stuff was fairly minor.