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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2010, 11:36:30 pm »
To the Canadian Driver tester.

I witnessed you coming out off of Solandt Drive (westbound) onto March Rd northbound yesterday and if I'd had the chance to take down the licence plate I would have called the police based on the way you were driving the car.

With a closed course environment available so close to Ottawa (Calabogie track), you should keep the racing confined to an environment where you aren't putting innocent people at risk.

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Totally derails the thread, and stirs the pot. A typical troll.
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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2010, 01:36:32 am »
i guess w cam with a response like that are you over 50 ?
     live and let live
the staight 6  twin turbo in the 3 series has made wards best engine list since it came out in 07, its a great drivable engine -- it has to be just to make it on the list
the m 3 has an 8 and is not suitable for in town driving really, more for the autobaun
 the twin turbo straight 6 is a much more enjoyable and satisfying engine to drive any where .
email zack spenser from driving television ,he's driven both
all these comments and the tester hasn't even reported on the driving experience yet .

with the extra pump in torque and hp could only make it better.
you can't knock a great engine regardless of what you might think of the brand
« Last Edit: July 23, 2010, 02:49:11 am by bikenut »

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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2010, 01:52:23 am »
i guess you really are over50 with a response like that
     live and let live

Yea, live and let live when you have some asshat calling the police on you when you were doing the speed limit... ::)
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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2010, 03:25:15 pm »
The BMW issue is a tricky one... The company itself is a bit guilty of pandering to the status-obsessed buyers, but then who can blame them since this tactic has massively expanded their market share.

However, I do consider myself a real enthusiast and am constantly frustrated by the lack of choice in the Canadian and US markets. My E91 328i wagon, for example, is only available with all-wheel drive, which seriously blunts the performance and the overall driving experience. In Europe I could buy the wagon with any engine save for the M3's V8 and the si's tuned version of the 335i engine. It's not that the wagon is massively practical, but it is certainly more practical than the sedan, with only a minor weight penalty. Would it kill them to offer a more powerful engine option and RWD?

BMW seems to want to pigeon-hole its buyers. If you want utility, you want less power and more "safety". If you want performance you want less utility and more bling (witness the silly "si graphics and tacky interior trim).

Still, though, anyone who claims that a Mercedes, Infiniti or Audi (let alone a Lexus) drives nearly as well as the equivalent BMW is generally still full of it. Porsche has the edge, but within the mainstream luxury brands BMW has to be the default choice for people who really appreciate steering feel and handling finesse. It's just a shame that these qualities are being steadily diluted throughout the entire automotive market.

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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2010, 04:52:06 pm »
Bikenut - "the m 3 has an 8 and is not suitable for in town driving really, more for the autobaun
 the twin turbo straight 6 is a much more enjoyable and satisfying engine to drive any where ."


Disagree totally. Do you own a current M3 with the V8 in order to make such a call?

The V8 is just fine in town, and superb on the hiway. The only penalty in town is fuel mileage; but no one buys an M3 as an economy car.

As to your tt L6 comment - it is a fine engine no doubt but IMO is not more satisfying than the V8. I would say the reverse.  ::)

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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2010, 07:38:16 pm »
Still, though, anyone who claims that a Mercedes, Infiniti or Audi (let alone a Lexus) drives nearly as well as the equivalent BMW is generally still full of it.
.....

Guilty as charged.   ;D


2010 Audi S4 vs. 2009 BMW 335i - Audi ices a mighty 3 by shedding price, and even power....

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09q4/2010_audi_s4_vs._2009_bmw_335i-comparison_tests

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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2010, 07:57:11 pm »
I have to agree. The 2011 550i I just drove a few weeks back was a wonderful driving appliance, but a lousy BMW.  Now, admittedly, a lousy BMW is still better than most cars out there, but I digress.... :)
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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2010, 08:57:20 pm »
I have to confess I haven't driven the new S4, but I do hear that it's great. If it is better than the BMIW, it is the exception that proves the rule, though. OK, there are two exceptions, since I absolutely loved my time driving the R8, despite the jerky lambo transmission.

Still, though, anyone who claims that a Mercedes, Infiniti or Audi (let alone a Lexus) drives nearly as well as the equivalent BMW is generally still full of it.
.....

Guilty as charged.   ;D


2010 Audi S4 vs. 2009 BMW 335i - Audi ices a mighty 3 by shedding price, and even power....

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09q4/2010_audi_s4_vs._2009_bmw_335i-comparison_tests

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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2010, 09:08:01 pm »
To the Canadian Driver tester.

I witnessed you coming out off of Solandt Drive (westbound) onto March Rd northbound yesterday and if I'd had the chance to take down the licence plate I would have called the police based on the way you were driving the car.

With a closed course environment available so close to Ottawa (Calabogie track), you should keep the racing confined to an environment where you aren't putting innocent people at risk.

Regards

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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2010, 06:30:55 pm »
ovr 50
http://www.driving.ca/videos/index.html
episode 601  -- 2008 m3 sedan
judge for yourself

the m3 has peak torque of 295 ft lbs at 4000 rpm
the twin turbo 3 series has 300 ft lbs of torque at 1400 rpm
« Last Edit: July 24, 2010, 06:52:51 pm by bikenut »

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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2010, 08:44:11 pm »
ovr 50
http://www.driving.ca/videos/index.html
episode 601  -- 2008 m3 sedan
judge for yourself

the m3 has peak torque of 295 ft lbs at 4000 rpm
the twin turbo 3 series has 300 ft lbs of torque at 1400 rpm

I can't seem to get episode 601.....but I know the torque numbers very well. I had a 2008 535xi with the tt 3.0L engine that is the same (N54) engine that is in the 335is (although the new "is" engine is tweeked a bit). The tt engine has great torque at low rpms, I know that. But, as I have owned both engines, I can tell you that the 4.0L V8 in the M3 is every bit as satisfying around town, and way more engine for the hiway. Sometimes the figures on paper don't translate into real world experiences.

The 335is engine is a fine engine, no doubt, but the better all around engine is the V8. The V8 is also more reliable (so far, and I don't just mean my experience). There have been issues with the tt engines.

I stand by my comment that I think your statement regarding the superiority of the tt 6, all around, as you said, is your opinion but is not supported by the great majority of those who have owned or even just driven both cars.

Have you actually driven (and more than just around the block) the M3 V8 car? If not, this argument is over.

Plus, should you not believe me, just spend some time on BMW forums where 335 owners have moved to the M3 and see what they say.

And a further plus, and from Driving.ca, the July 20/10 test on the M3 Sedan:

http://www.driving.ca/research-car/roadtest/Road+test+2011+Sedan/3300655/story.html
« Last Edit: July 24, 2010, 09:00:58 pm by ovr50 »

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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2010, 09:53:52 pm »
ovr 50
http://www.driving.ca/videos/index.html
episode 601  -- 2008 m3 sedan
judge for yourself

the m3 has peak torque of 295 ft lbs at 4000 rpm
the twin turbo 3 series has 300 ft lbs of torque at 1400 rpm

I know that video.  Zack's assessment was that the 335i was more worth it than M3 (excluding people who take it to the track), but a couple of points to consider:
- That is one review.  There are others.
- Zack himself owns a 335i.

People's perceptions of whether the M3 is worth it over the 335i are very personal.  It's not just the hp and torque numbers. 

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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2010, 11:44:08 pm »
simply put torque is what makes any engine fun -- winding it out like a bike for top end power is satisfying too
but you don't wind it out every second -- the fact is there is 300 ft lbs of torque at 1400 ppm
no matter how good the m3 is it can't match those torque figures down that low ,the 335 torque comes on sooner making it more fun to drive - more responsive down low where people enjoy it the most , especially around town from light to light
ovr50 it is confusing - episode 601
try instead - make  bmw -- model  m3 sedan -- year 2008
but keep in mind ovr50 , the reviewer in this particular case,  is biased somewhat
you will see why
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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2010, 12:19:05 am »
simply put torque is what makes any engine fun -- winding it out like a bike for top end power is satisfying too
but you don't wind it out every second -- the fact is there is 300 ft lbs of torque at 1400 ppm
no matter how good the m3 is it can't match those torque figures down that low ,the 335 torque comes on sooner making it more fun to drive - more responsive down low where people enjoy it the most , especially around town from light to light

Yes, I am aware.  But does the M3 really lack torque in any appreciable way (compared to the 335i) from light to light?  How fast can one go from light to light?  Does it lack any appreciable torque when merging, overtaking at faster speeds, etc.?

On a few occasions in the 335i, I've been able to (safely) get on the pedal and the 'pin you to your seat' torque is very satisfying, exhilarating actually.  But they have been few indeed in light-to-light situations (traffic goes too slow and it's not safe).

I don't know about the M3 in real life, but I am looking forward to finding out.  I suspect some of the 'it lacks low end torque' comes come from an expectation that the M3 is going to 'pin you to your seat more than a 335i (because it's more expensive and an M3) in low-speed driving conditions, and it doesn't.  Doesn't mean it lacks torque or that the overall package (including the superior handling, etc.) is not worth the price difference from a 335i.

To make that conclusion, I think one needs to try it.  And then make the assessment based on one's priorities, which are very personal. 

I can get a 2011 Mustang with more torque than my car, but I'd want my car, even if the Mustang is impressive bang-for-the-buck.

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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2010, 12:42:01 am »
Any car with more torque than my TSX is fun! ;) ;D

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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2010, 03:11:56 am »
Any car with more torque than my TSX is fun! ;) ;D

I don't exactly call my lawn mower fun ...  ;D :D

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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2010, 12:49:54 pm »
Any car with more torque than my TSX is fun!

your tsx makes up for it by being a great handling car

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« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2010, 01:19:48 pm »
As the current owner of an N54-powered BMW, I want to say that I love this engine more than any other car I've ever owned. I also want to say that I'm ditching it in favour of a 335d.

After nearly getting run over by an 18-wheeler when my high pressure fuel pump crapped out in Pennsylvania, I did some research to see if this is a common problem in N54 cars. OH BOY, IS IT EVER. Not only that, there are owners on their 3rd or 4th fuel pump replacements.

This is a design failure that has nothing to do with driving style, octane used, or modifications made. It is a faulty piece of hardware that BMW has known about for several years and has done nothing to remedy. The fact that I have a new HPFP covered by warranty makes me MORE nervous, not less, as it is a ticking time bomb.

Let me tell you, having your car completely lose power on a busy 8-lane highway is not exactly fun or safe. Hopefully this won't be an issue for James or any other 335is driver.

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Re: Any HPFP problems??
« Reply #58 on: July 26, 2010, 01:56:52 pm »
As the current owner of an N54-powered BMW, I want to say that I love this engine more than any other car I've ever owned. I also want to say that I'm ditching it in favour of a 335d.

After nearly getting run over by an 18-wheeler when my high pressure fuel pump crapped out in Pennsylvania, I did some research to see if this is a common problem in N54 cars. OH BOY, IS IT EVER. Not only that, there are owners on their 3rd or 4th fuel pump replacements.

This is a design failure that has nothing to do with driving style, octane used, or modifications made. It is a faulty piece of hardware that BMW has known about for several years and has done nothing to remedy. The fact that I have a new HPFP covered by warranty makes me MORE nervous, not less, as it is a ticking time bomb.

Let me tell you, having your car completely lose power on a busy 8-lane highway is not exactly fun or safe. Hopefully this won't be an issue for James or any other 335is driver.

That problem does exist on the N54 engines; but it seems to be concentrated in the US. There are far fewer reports of HPFP failures on Canadian cars. Makes me wonder a bit if there is something in US fuel that makes this problem worse.  ???

BMW is working on the fix, and part of it is that the new N55 engine with a different turbo set-up has replaced the N54 in many models.

And, yes I did own a N54 engine in 535xi, and I had zero problems with it in 21,000 kms.

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Re: 2011 BMW 335is; Day 1
« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2010, 02:03:29 pm »
James - in his Day 3 of the 335is - "Put the windows down, apply some throttle and the burble becomes an intoxicating sound you could get high on — hit the gear lever and listen to those perfect rev-matched downshifts and it’s like being in automotive nirvana."

+1000 Right on, now add a snarly 4.0L V8 to the mix, and you get a taste of what the M3 w M-DCT feels/sounds like.. ;) :D ;D