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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #120 on: November 12, 2010, 07:48:58 am »
But how much of a price premium for the Eco trim compared to the non-Eco trim with equivalent equipment?

And why not make the whole line-up 'Eco' instead of only one trim? Wouldn't that be the better option marketing-wise?

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #121 on: November 12, 2010, 10:44:01 am »
But how much of a price premium for the Eco trim compared to the non-Eco trim with equivalent equipment?

And why not make the whole line-up 'Eco' instead of only one trim? Wouldn't that be the better option marketing-wise?

I'd like the "Automatic Air Shutter System" available in all models.  That's pretty slick.
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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #122 on: November 22, 2010, 11:09:00 am »
Canadian fuel consumption results for the Cruze Eco.

City:     7.2 L/100 km (39 mi./gal.)
Hwy:     4.6 L/100 km (61 mi./gal.)

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #123 on: November 23, 2010, 11:23:54 am »
But how much of a price premium for the Eco trim compared to the non-Eco trim with equivalent equipment?

And why not make the whole line-up 'Eco' instead of only one trim? Wouldn't that be the better option marketing-wise?

I'd like the "Automatic Air Shutter System" available in all models.  That's pretty slick.

The Hyundai Sonata Hybrid has a similar system too.

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #124 on: November 23, 2010, 07:24:49 pm »
But how much of a price premium for the Eco trim compared to the non-Eco trim with equivalent equipment?

And why not make the whole line-up 'Eco' instead of only one trim? Wouldn't that be the better option marketing-wise?

I'd like the "Automatic Air Shutter System" available in all models.  That's pretty slick.

The Hyundai Sonata Hybrid has a similar system too.


Idea having been stolen from GM, no doubt.

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #125 on: November 23, 2010, 07:26:39 pm »
But how much of a price premium for the Eco trim compared to the non-Eco trim with equivalent equipment?

And why not make the whole line-up 'Eco' instead of only one trim? Wouldn't that be the better option marketing-wise?

I'd like the "Automatic Air Shutter System" available in all models.  That's pretty slick.



The Hyundai Sonata Hybrid has a similar system too.


Idea having been stolen from GM, no doubt.


Uhhh no.  I did the tooling for a radiator shroud for a BMW in the 90s that had that on it...
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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #126 on: November 23, 2010, 07:34:00 pm »
Uhhh no.  I did the tooling for a radiator shroud for a BMW in the 90s that had that on it...

Our Versatile tractor, circa 1972 had it also. It's been common on big trucks and other heavy equipment (to help the engines warm up) for a long time.

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #127 on: November 23, 2010, 07:37:15 pm »
Uhhh no.  I did the tooling for a radiator shroud for a BMW in the 90s that had that on it...

Eff the 1990s.  Radiator shrouding that can automatically open and close to balance aerodynamics and cooling has been around since at least the Messerschmidt BF-109.

Now if only cars would incorporate other neat features of the BF-109, like 20 mm cannon ;)

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #128 on: November 23, 2010, 07:52:36 pm »
Yea..it's been around forever....and before automatic systems, there were mechanical systems.  I was just pointing out..in cars at least that I've worked on...1990s was the first time I encountered the system.

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #129 on: November 23, 2010, 08:35:56 pm »
Idea having been stolen from GM, no doubt.

Gee, Erik was right - no GM fanboys on the forum at all.  Nope, not a one.  :)

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #130 on: November 23, 2010, 08:57:32 pm »
Idea having been stolen from GM, no doubt.

Gee, Erik was right - no GM fanboys on the forum at all.  Nope, not a one.  :)

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #131 on: November 23, 2010, 09:54:59 pm »
Now if only cars would incorporate other neat features of the BF-109, like 20 mm cannon ;)

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #132 on: December 03, 2010, 03:25:21 pm »
Drove a Cruze LT this morning.

I spent about 10 minutes in the showroom looking in, under and around the car and, generally liked what I saw.  The engine compartment was neatly laid out and there was plenty of room around the engine for any work that needed doing.  It looked nice, too.

The exterior looked okay: I didn't notice any glaring problems with the paint or panel gaps.  Overall, I find it an attractive design except for, maybe, the three-tier grill.  It's sealed, so why not have the hood come farther forward?  Also, fix the C-pillar and lose the plastic.

Inside, I was hoping that the seats would be an improvement on the rental Cobalt I tried for two days in Arizona.  Thankfully, they were.  They felt hard when I sat down but were comfortable while sitting in the showroom and during the test drive.  The switchgear felt good and operated in the solid manner.  I did have an issue with the ventilation controls, however.  As you can see in the photo below, the temperature control sits in a recess closest to the driver.  The fan speed is in a reverse recess on the right.  Unfortunately, grabbing the control wasn't convenient since my fingers would be the right side of the control.  I can't imagine trying it with gloves on.


Another strike against the interior was, once I had set the seat position (fore/aft and height) and the tilt/telescope of the steering wheel, I could not see the top left of the tach or the top right of the speedometer.  I'm only 5'8" so would the situation be worse for taller drivers?  While I did like the diameter of the steering wheel, unfortunately, it obscures the gauges.

I liked the cloth on the dash and doors, btw.

I had no issues getting in and out of the backseat and there was plenty of leg room with the driver's seat set for me.  I would have no problem putting two folks in the backseat for a road trip: three folks in back for a short drive in the city.  Nice to see cupholders in the backseat armrest.

The trunk looked spacious.

I took a Cruze LT Turbo + for a drive.  Since the car had been in the shop within the previous 48 hours, the interior of the glass was frosted up, but the HVAC made short work of that.  Once moving, I surprised with how quiet the car was: I was listening for turbo whistle but couldn't detect it.  The power is more than adequate and the car pulls well in 2nd and 3rd gears.  The amount of time the transmission spent in first from the stand still was almost comical.  First gear was done in less than a second under light throttle.  The transmission's manual control actually obeyed your up or downshift command promptly.  Winnipeg's roads are in terrible shape and the Cruze did well on them, including an 80 km/h left hand sweeper complete with bumps and dips that upset my Sebring. 

Overall, I was impressed.  I can't say how well it stacks up against the competition because I haven't driven them yet.  However, the Cruze would definitely be on my candidate list.




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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #133 on: December 03, 2010, 03:50:52 pm »
Good review - thanks.

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #134 on: December 03, 2010, 04:17:59 pm »
And why not make the whole line-up 'Eco' instead of only one trim? Wouldn't that be the better option marketing-wise?

No. Then you would be sacrificing the extra sound insulation and other comfort and convenience features the regular Cruze has. In other words, it would be like driving an Elantra or some other Asian small cars. Not everyone wants vanilla. Extra flavor choices are nice.

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #135 on: December 03, 2010, 04:52:14 pm »
And why not make the whole line-up 'Eco' instead of only one trim? Wouldn't that be the better option marketing-wise?

No. Then you would be sacrificing the extra sound insulation and other comfort and convenience features the regular Cruze has. In other words, it would be like driving an Elantra or some other Asian small cars. Not everyone wants vanilla. Extra flavor choices are nice.

So you're basically saying the Cruze Eco is crap like the Elantra and some other Asian small cars then? Who would buy crap like that?!

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #136 on: December 03, 2010, 05:46:42 pm »
Good review - thanks.

Indeed.  The AutoBlog podcast guys also commented how quiet the thing was.

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #137 on: December 03, 2010, 08:05:33 pm »
So you're basically saying the Cruze Eco is crap like the Elantra and some other Asian small cars then?

I would never call a Hyundai "crap". However, if you wish to do so then feel free.

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Who would buy crap like that?!

Obviously, many do. WalMart sells a lot of crap that people seem to like. The bargain-basement, "something for nothing" segment has always had its devotees.

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #138 on: December 06, 2010, 09:18:23 am »
And why not make the whole line-up 'Eco' instead of only one trim? Wouldn't that be the better option marketing-wise?

No. Then you would be sacrificing the extra sound insulation and other comfort and convenience features the regular Cruze has. In other words, it would be like driving an Elantra or some other Asian small cars. Not everyone wants vanilla. Extra flavor choices are nice.

Uh oh... Elantra is remarkably quiet too! Why buy a guzzler like the Cruze Eco when the Elantra beats it at its own game, and probably has a quieter cabin considering, by your own admission, GM had to remove sound proofing out of the Eco trim to make it lighter.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/06/first-drive-2011-hyundai-elantra
Both cars deliver a remarkably quiet cabin thanks to a three-layer door system and heaps of insulating foam in the vehicle's body cavities. A set of hydraulic engine mounts do a smart job of keeping any vibration from the engine out of the cabin, and more than once we found ourselves wondering whether or not the four-pot was actually running at idle.

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Re: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze: More Compact Car for the Money
« Reply #139 on: December 06, 2010, 09:28:09 am »
Uh oh, more Hyundai SPAM from fanboy.