Topic: 2011 Hyundai Elantra

[Dante]

EPA ratings:
                          City/Hwy/Combined (L/100km)
Civic 1.8/5AT        9.4/6.5/8.1
Corolla  1.8/4AT    9.0/6.1/8.1 (2010 ratings, 2011 N/A)
Cruze 1.4T/6AT     9.8/6.5/8.4

[dkaz]

Those are American ratings... they drive so aggressively there. I rarely exceed Canadian ratings.

[Dante]

Those are American ratings... they drive so aggressively there. I rarely exceed Canadian ratings.

I find EPA ratings closer to my real world experience, without hypermiling.

[dkaz]

Well I guess American ratings apply to you Ontarians as well. Isn't the minimum speed limit 120km/h there?

[diceman]

So you're saying GM only aimed to beat 3-4 year old models when they were working on the Cruze? I'm not sure how that makes sense. What happens when the new Corolla and Civic get her in a year or two and trump the Cruze? The Cruze will be close to class-trailing for its fuel economy, even the Cruze Eco!

Shouldn't they have aimed to outdo everything out there by a decent margin? Especially the Cruze Eco! That's the main goal of that model! I mean, what's the point of all the extra tricks (and $$$) going into the Eco model if it can't even beat a base Elantra costing thousands less?

 LO, what a fanboy.  The elantra will foloow in the Sonatas footsteps. Loud, jittery ride and it won't have as many safety features as the Cruze.  The Cruze may be heavier but it's muvh more solid and a lot more safer.

[Ice]

So you're saying GM only aimed to beat 3-4 year old models when they were working on the Cruze? I'm not sure how that makes sense. What happens when the new Corolla and Civic get her in a year or two and trump the Cruze? The Cruze will be close to class-trailing for its fuel economy, even the Cruze Eco!

Shouldn't they have aimed to outdo everything out there by a decent margin? Especially the Cruze Eco! That's the main goal of that model! I mean, what's the point of all the extra tricks (and $$$) going into the Eco model if it can't even beat a base Elantra costing thousands less?

 LO, what a fanboy.  The elantra will foloow in the Sonatas footsteps. Loud, jittery ride and it won't have as many safety features as the Cruze.  The Cruze may be heavier but it's muvh more solid and a lot more safer.

Have the crash tests for both cars been made public?

[Erik]

Corolla 1.8L:       9.4  6.5

NRCAN mixed up the 1.8L and 2.4L ratings. 9.4/6.5 is for the 2.4L auto. The 1.8 with auto should be 7.8/5.7, 7.4/5.6 with manual.

Ahh that makes sense. I thought 9's was awfully high for the Corolla 1.8L. Thanks for the correction.

With the correction to the Corolla numbers, here are actual numbers for automatic transmissions:
Elantra 1.8L:      6.9  4.9
Cruze Eco 1.4L:  7.8  5.1 
Corolla 1.8L:       7.8  5.7
Civic 1.8L:         8.2  5.7
Cruze 1.4L:        8.5  5.5
Cruze 1.8L:        9.2  5.6 

It makes the Cruze Eco look even worse, IMO.

In what way? Because it is beaten by ONE car that is not even available for sale yet? Bunch of losers, those guys at GM!


To any rational person, that is a very good performance.

[Shnak]

Corolla 1.8L:       9.4  6.5

NRCAN mixed up the 1.8L and 2.4L ratings. 9.4/6.5 is for the 2.4L auto. The 1.8 with auto should be 7.8/5.7, 7.4/5.6 with manual.

Ahh that makes sense. I thought 9's was awfully high for the Corolla 1.8L. Thanks for the correction.

With the correction to the Corolla numbers, here are actual numbers for automatic transmissions:
Elantra 1.8L:      6.9  4.9
Cruze Eco 1.4L:  7.8  5.1 
Corolla 1.8L:       7.8  5.7
Civic 1.8L:         8.2  5.7
Cruze 1.4L:        8.5  5.5
Cruze 1.8L:        9.2  5.6 

It makes the Cruze Eco look even worse, IMO.

In what way? Because it is beaten by ONE car that is not even available for sale yet? Bunch of losers, those guys at GM!


To any rational person, that is a very good performance.

Shouldn't a model tuned and tricked up specifically for fuel economy blow everything else out of the water? Or is the Eco version a stop-gap measure when they realized how bad the fuel economy of the Cruze with both engines was compared to its direct competitors?

[conwelpic]

the Fiesta also puts out one of these "Super Fuel Economy Package" at an $800 option on the SE sedan and hatchback, but it would take a long time to make up that cost.

SE 6 spd auto - 6.9L (41mpg) city; 5.1L (55 hwy)
with SFEP - 6.8L (41 mpg) city; 4.9L (58 hwy)

[Shnak]

the Fiesta also puts out one of these "Super Fuel Economy Package" at an $800 option on the SE sedan and hatchback, but it would take a long time to make up that cost.

SE 6 spd auto - 6.9L (41mpg) city; 5.1L (55 hwy)
with SFEP - 6.8L (41 mpg) city; 4.9L (58 hwy)

Any other features come with this super fuel economy package?

[Ice]

Corolla 1.8L:       9.4  6.5

NRCAN mixed up the 1.8L and 2.4L ratings. 9.4/6.5 is for the 2.4L auto. The 1.8 with auto should be 7.8/5.7, 7.4/5.6 with manual.

Ahh that makes sense. I thought 9's was awfully high for the Corolla 1.8L. Thanks for the correction.

With the correction to the Corolla numbers, here are actual numbers for automatic transmissions:
Elantra 1.8L:      6.9  4.9
Cruze Eco 1.4L:  7.8  5.1 
Corolla 1.8L:       7.8  5.7
Civic 1.8L:         8.2  5.7
Cruze 1.4L:        8.5  5.5
Cruze 1.8L:        9.2  5.6 

It makes the Cruze Eco look even worse, IMO.

In what way? Because it is beaten by ONE car that is not even available for sale yet? Bunch of losers, those guys at GM!


To any rational person, that is a very good performance.

Shouldn't a model tuned and tricked up specifically for fuel economy blow everything else out of the water? Or is the Eco version a stop-gap measure when they realized how bad the fuel economy of the Cruze with both engines was compared to its direct competitors?

I haven't seen the specs for the Elantra size wise but I'm under the impression that the Cruze is the largest in the class of subcompacts. So if the Eco version is somewhat bigger and roomier than the Elantra and gets close to the same fuel economy numbers then that's pretty good. Undeniably the Elantra is looking VERY good right now... and I hear it's no slouch for interior space either.

The Cruze Eco isn't unlike the Elantra Blue that they were selling places... at least in some ways. It's a good marketing and engineering exercise anyways.

[conwelpic]

the Fiesta also puts out one of these "Super Fuel Economy Package" at an $800 option on the SE sedan and hatchback, but it would take a long time to make up that cost.

SE 6 spd auto - 6.9L (41mpg) city; 5.1L (55 hwy)
with SFEP - 6.8L (41 mpg) city; 4.9L (58 hwy)

Any other features come with this super fuel economy package?

package includes:  side-tire deflectors, underbody shields, lower grille blocker, cruise control, spare wheel with wheel cap and rear spoiler on sedan (requires PowerShift 6-speed automatic transmission - $1250 option)

[Shnak]

the Fiesta also puts out one of these "Super Fuel Economy Package" at an $800 option on the SE sedan and hatchback, but it would take a long time to make up that cost.

SE 6 spd auto - 6.9L (41mpg) city; 5.1L (55 hwy)
with SFEP - 6.8L (41 mpg) city; 4.9L (58 hwy)

Any other features come with this super fuel economy package?

package includes:  side-tire deflectors, underbody shields, lower grille blocker, cruise control, spare wheel with wheel cap and rear spoiler on sedan (requires PowerShift 6-speed automatic transmission - $1250 option)

Oh ok. So if your intent is on buying a Fiesta without cruise control, than it might be worth it to go for the fuel economy package for the small fuel economy improvements, but also to get cruise. Not bad. At least your getting something tangible with the package.

[conwelpic]

don't think anyone has posted this, but here is the full details and specs on the Canada Hyundai website

http://www.hyundaicanada.com/Pages/showroom/VehiclePromo.aspx?model=Elantra

it says available in December, didn't see any prices, available in 3 models, L, GL, GLS, Limited, 1.8L, 6 spd manual and 6 spd auto.

[dkaz]

At least 6MT is not restricted to just the L as feared... but the Mazda 3 and 5 are still one of the only (non luxury brand) vehicles I can get a manual with auto climate control, auto wipers, and auto lights... hey I prefer focusing on driving on not on turning on lights or adjusting HVAC controls!

[conwelpic]

impressed with the new Elantra that it achieves the Fiesta's super fuel economy pack mileage with their 1.8L engine (vs 1.6L in the Fiesta) and nothing special to buy as its standard across the full lineup.  Also the Elantra is a compact vehicle not a sub-compact.  Also impressive is that heated rear seats are standard in the GLS and Limited. 

[Ex-airbalancer]

I wonder why they do not wait until January and market the car as a 2012

[marineboy]

I wonder why they do not wait until January and market the car as a 2012

Unless car manufacturers can actually prove that they have invented a time machine that can bend the space-time continuum they should make it a law that when the date a production vehicle is available for retail sale, then that is the model year of the car! 

[Ex-airbalancer]

I wonder why they do not wait until January and market the car as a 2012

Unless car manufacturers can actually prove that they have invented a time machine that can bend the space-time continuum they should make it a law that when the date a production vehicle is available for retail sale, then that is the model year of the car! 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_year

[rex charlston]

Indeed, the overall design is attractive and pleasing, looking as if it belongs in a much more expensive car. Your carpool buddies should be impressed. They'll also appreciate the Elantra's generous head-, shoulder-, hip- and legroom found in both the front and rear seats