Notice to ALL! Ignore EPA numbers; meaningless
Could you shed some light and share some of your wisdom for those of us who use the EPA numbers as a relative reference to compare vehicles?
The 2.7 in the 4 Runner supplies 178 ft/lbs. of torque @ 3800 rpm thru a 4 speed auto. There are ppl out there that love simplicity and buy with the intention of keeping a vehicle for 15 years. This would be that vehicle. Plenty of power for most.
Are you saying that the Toyota's 6 AT or even the 5 AT used in the V6 models would not last 15 years? ![Grin ;D](https://www.autos.ca/forum/Smileys/CarTalk/grin.gif)
You know that the real reason Toyota uses old/low tech in their cars is $$$ combined with the fact that whatever they make, ppl will buy because it's a Toyota (just like the bankrupt GM used to do).
Equinox/Terrain AWD is 4049 lbs. and the Venza AWD is 3945 lbs. The 2.7 in the Venza works, the 2.4 in the Equinox/Terrain does not.
So you are saying that the 2.4L DI/182hp/174 lb.ft./6AT in the 3853 lbs Terrain 2WD does not work, but the 2.7L/157hp/178 lb ft/4AT in the 4295 lbs 4Runner 2WD works and there is “plenty of power for most” in the said 4Runner, but not enough in the Terrain. ![Roll Eyes ::)](https://www.autos.ca/forum/Smileys/CarTalk/rolleyes.gif)
Could you shed some light and share some of your wisdom for those of us who use the EPA numbers as a relative reference to compare vehicles?Drive as many new vehicles as I do you know the mileage estimates are just that; calculations based on a theoretical route that no person would or could drive. The larger and more powerful the vehicle, the more the EPA numbers are off.
AND to those of you that think the "numbers" get better as the powertrain "breaks in"; wishful DREAMING. I have a 06 extended wheel base 4WD Trailblazer to sell you whose original EPA mileage estimates were beyond fantasy. Anyone who has driven a Trailblazer knows this.
Are you saying that the Toyota's 6 AT or even the 5 AT used in the V6 models would not last 15 years? No, you said that.
![Smiley :)](https://www.autos.ca/forum/Smileys/CarTalk/smiley.gif)
I'm saying that a very simple 4 speed tranny in a 2.7 I4 in the 2wd base 4Runner/Taco is what I think attracts those very type of base unit buyers. It works perfectly in the Venza AWD.
So you are saying that the 2.4L DI/182hp/174 lb.ft./6AT in the 3853 lbs Terrain 2WD does not work, but the 2.7L/157hp/178 lb ft/4AT in the 4295 lbs 4Runner 2WD works and there is “plenty of power for most” in the said 4Runner, but not enough in the Terrain. ![Roll Eyes ::)](https://www.autos.ca/forum/Smileys/CarTalk/rolleyes.gif)
I am pleased to inform you that your reading comprehension has improved. That is exactly what I said.
However, what you and the average buyer have in common is that you don't look beyond the superficial.
The Toyota 2.7 achieves it's maximum 157 HP @ 5200 rpm and 180 Torque @ 3800 rpm
The Terrain HP 182 @ 6700 rpm and torque 172 @ 4900 rpm
Mr. Chase points it out directly in his review:
Ultimately, though, what the Terrain really needs is a four-cylinder engine with more low-end torque ![Smiley :)](https://www.autos.ca/forum/Smileys/CarTalk/smiley.gif)