Topic: Sunco to close station in Ontario

[Ex-airbalancer]

http://www.canadiandriver.com/2010/01/19/all-300-sunoco-stations-in-ontario-will-close-or-rebrand.htm

So what going to happen to 94, and Gold diesel

[ovr50]

Re: 94 - exactly the question I was going to ask.....we get 94 out West from Chevron but I don't think Chevron is in Ontario?

[vdk]

Nope no Chevron here. PetroCan should carry 94.

[ArticSteve]

That really sucks.  Good ole Petro Canada.     Canadian taxpayers paid for it, then the FEDS sold it for peanuts, now it's killing competition.

Where is UPI and Pioneer going to get their gas now?  This is a real fackin disaster now that 94 will be unavailable.  What the fack is going on with the regulators?

[vdk]

I expect one of the competitors to take care of our 94 octane problem. There is a market for it. At least in big cities like Toronto.

[ArticSteve]

Problem is you need 3 tanks, excluding diesel.  How many Petrocanada stations have those?

The regulators should have stopped this deal.  They are paid by the taxpayer supposedly to look after taxpayer interests.  This is not in the taxpayer's best interest; the elimination of a competitor in an already priced fixed industry. 

[Ex-airbalancer]

Problem is you need 3 tanks, excluding diesel.  How many Petrocanada stations have those?

The regulators should have stopped this deal.  They are paid by the taxpayer supposedly to look after taxpayer interests.  This is not in the taxpayer's best interest; the elimination of a competitor in an already priced fixed industry. 

3 tanks  , but the gas come from the same pump 

[tpl]

Only need two tanks.  1 with 94 ( no ethanol) 1 with 87  (10% ethanol)  Actually getting rid of the ethanol requirement apart form a tiny amount to act as gas line antifreeze in winter would be even better.

As for Diesel.  Just sell the Gold.  Sooner or later all car diesels will require the highest grade, cleanest diesel.  As for diesel pickup trucks... about time their engines had to have the same emissions as cars... I can imagine the screams if owners of Ford 350s and such had to put in AdBlue every month....good.


I agree the regulators should have stopped this.


 Keep Sunoco as is and lose PetroCanada  would be better

[inco]

I'll bet the current PC 91 suddenly gets a boost to 94 and a chance to raise the prices a little bit more. Simple change over and a much higher income for Sunoco.

Win/win for them and us - well what else is new.

[Erik]

I actually did a survey for them a while back. They stated very strongly that 94 was not going to be discontinued and would stay available through the Petro Canada stations.

[ArticSteve]

Only need two tanks.  1 with 94 ( no ethanol) 1 with 87  (10% ethanol)

The way it's currently operating is that Sunoco 94 is a stand alone gas stored in a separate tank.  They have 87 and 91 in two other tanks which are mixed at the pump to supply 89 if desired which is what all other retails do.

Pioneer which retails Sunoco gasoline just a year ago was receiving left over "94" and selling it as "93".  If you wanted mid grade what you got was "90" for the price of 89 as it was your typical pump blend.  It was an awesome deal provided the blend was accurate.

Me thinks it's extremely unlikely that Petro stores are going to supply a stand alone 94 and what you'll get is a "pump blend" which IMO are dubious .

[Zombie]

Problem is you need 3 tanks, excluding diesel.  How many Petrocanada stations have those?

The regulators should have stopped this deal.  They are paid by the taxpayer supposedly to look after taxpayer interests.  This is not in the taxpayer's best interest; the elimination of a competitor in an already priced fixed industry. 

3 tanks  , but the gas come from the same pump 

Just like Duff, Duff dry and Duff Light

[safristi]

  ..DUFF OFF..........well I've "BEAN OCT_ANE FOOKED"...........

[Jamie1]

Only need two tanks.  1 with 94 ( no ethanol) 1 with 87  (10% ethanol)  Actually getting rid of the ethanol requirement apart form a tiny amount to act as gas line antifreeze in winter would be even better.

As for Diesel.  Just sell the Gold.  Sooner or later all car diesels will require the highest grade, cleanest diesel.  As for diesel pickup trucks... about time their engines had to have the same emissions as cars... I can imagine the screams if owners of Ford 350s and such had to put in AdBlue every month....good.


I agree the regulators should have stopped this.


 Keep Sunoco as is and lose PetroCanada  would be better

Those diesel truckl already have clean diesel emissions. They just do it a different way then adding Adblue. If you notice on the tailgate of the new Dodge diesels they say "bluetech".

[Triple Bob]

I wonder if Pioneer will keep going with the same supplier/blends etc.

Pioneer are my brand of choice!

 

[tpl]

Those diesel truckl already have clean diesel emissions. They just do it a different way then adding Adblue. If you notice on the tailgate of the new Dodge diesels they say "bluetech".

I do not believe those trucks have to meet the same emissions as cars.  If Dodge is equipping their trucks with cleaner diesels thats a good thing.

[dougjp]

Needing (actually wanting) 94, or minimum 93 in the summer. Could someone please clarify these comments about Pioneer in Ontario, I didn't know they sold 93 (or 94). I go to their web site:

http://www.pioneer.ca/

It only mentions 91. Where is this available? Meanwhile, I sure hope Sunoco or PetroCan - somebody, keep selling 94.

[inco]

Pioneer was never allowed to use '94' even though it came from Sunoco who maintained exclusive rights to the highest octane available. Knock it down a notch and it's ok.

Pioneer will still survive and get their gas from Sunoco, but the 94 level is likely going to become a PC brand and why not. Keeps them number one.

[roundupready]

Hmm...STis require 93 octane I believe...

Good thing my map is tuned for 91 octane only. Plus I use Shell mostly.

[ArticSteve]

Needing (actually wanting) 94, or minimum 93 in the summer. Could someone please clarify these comments about Pioneer in Ontario, I didn't know they sold 93 (or 94). I go to their web site:

http://www.pioneer.ca/

It only mentions 91. Where is this available? Meanwhile, I sure hope Sunoco or PetroCan - somebody, keep selling 94.

I didn't know they sold 93 (or 94). I go to their web site

They discontinued their "93" about a year ago or so.  It was older of surplus Sunoco 94 as Inco mentions.  The nice thing about it was that for the price of mid grade you got a 50/50 mix of 87 and what really was 94.  So it came out the pump at about 90.5.  The pump said 90.  It was great so of course it disappeared.  

Current UPI is the only outfit that sells Sunoco "94" other than Sunoco stations.

I suspect that sunoco 94 will be terminated in the Ontario and it won't be replaced by any other retailer.  93 may surface, but only at stations that have 3 tanks for gasoline.

Does not look promising.