Quote from: Just Bob on February 19, 2009, 02:33:05 pmIt's the shoddy interior on the 265 that let's it down for me, hell even the challenger was better designed inside. I just don’t have the interior with a heavy weighting on my score card so I don’t let that deminish the strenghts.
It's the shoddy interior on the 265 that let's it down for me, hell even the challenger was better designed inside.
Hey Snowman what turbo is in your WRX. I'm guessing it is smaller then the one in the 265. Also is the 2006 turbo the same size or even the same turbo as the one in the 2008. I'm not sure why but the numbers I see on other forums for an 08 WRX at stage 2 have lower HP but a big bump in Trq up above 300 (compared to your numbers). So would that mean smaller turbo with a quicker spool up?
Quote from: johngenx on February 19, 2009, 02:49:28 pmQuote from: Snowman on February 19, 2009, 01:54:59 pmYes Jeff, the WRX is not for everyone and it may not feel fast but the truth is in the numbers. Real WRX drivers don’t dump the clutch BTW. Launching is an art and defiantly not for the mainstream drivers, the general public need not apply.If there was a car that needed a technological transmission, the WRX/STi is it. I wouldn't be keen to give up the full manual of either car (though the Subaru trans is not butter like the S2000, etc, it is still fun) but having "launch control" would be very slick indeed. Were I an engineer, here is how I'd make it work:At a dead stop, put the shift lever into second gear, push the "launch" button and take your foot off the clutch. Right foot on the gas, left on the brake with the ECU optimizing throttle position and having full control over the clutch. Release the brake and the car launches. The trans self-shifts to 2nd gear and you now have full control. At any time were you to touch the brakes after the initial launch, full manual control is engaged.Problem? Cost. You'd need computers to operate the clutch and transmission as well as throttle (throttle easy, clutch and trans not as much, but not too bad) and the associated hardware. It would be working with the ESP sensors to provide maximum acceleration with minimum clutch and trans impact (much better than the goober sidestep-the-clutch method that too many use).Of course, this is why most bracket racers use automatic transmissions or Lencos w/trans-brake. Consistent, traction-maximizing launches. However, those car never see a twisty road...You make it more complicated than need be. There are MANY devices on the market for not alot of money that would help this car come out of the hole. You can install an anti-lag (like I did on the Supra). Or, the modern boost controller can do sooo much. You can assign a pre-set boost by gear (have X pounds of boost in 1st gear, add in more for 2nd, etc..). You can even adjust boost by speed. And beyond that...you can have the boost ramp in by RPM. These devices cost only a few hundred bucks. This is all you'd need.And Snowy.....it's not THAT hard to launch these cars IMO. I think I pooched my first two launches in an STi. And then after that, all was well......
Quote from: Snowman on February 19, 2009, 01:54:59 pmYes Jeff, the WRX is not for everyone and it may not feel fast but the truth is in the numbers. Real WRX drivers don’t dump the clutch BTW. Launching is an art and defiantly not for the mainstream drivers, the general public need not apply.If there was a car that needed a technological transmission, the WRX/STi is it. I wouldn't be keen to give up the full manual of either car (though the Subaru trans is not butter like the S2000, etc, it is still fun) but having "launch control" would be very slick indeed. Were I an engineer, here is how I'd make it work:At a dead stop, put the shift lever into second gear, push the "launch" button and take your foot off the clutch. Right foot on the gas, left on the brake with the ECU optimizing throttle position and having full control over the clutch. Release the brake and the car launches. The trans self-shifts to 2nd gear and you now have full control. At any time were you to touch the brakes after the initial launch, full manual control is engaged.Problem? Cost. You'd need computers to operate the clutch and transmission as well as throttle (throttle easy, clutch and trans not as much, but not too bad) and the associated hardware. It would be working with the ESP sensors to provide maximum acceleration with minimum clutch and trans impact (much better than the goober sidestep-the-clutch method that too many use).Of course, this is why most bracket racers use automatic transmissions or Lencos w/trans-brake. Consistent, traction-maximizing launches. However, those car never see a twisty road...
Yes Jeff, the WRX is not for everyone and it may not feel fast but the truth is in the numbers. Real WRX drivers don’t dump the clutch BTW. Launching is an art and defiantly not for the mainstream drivers, the general public need not apply.
I agree, the launches are not that hard but some people just can’t get it. Rev it to 3000…hold it…lift clutch pedal like you just stepped in a pile of dog poo concurrent with WOT…and 0-60 in 4.5
Quote from: Snowman on February 19, 2009, 02:53:18 pmQuote from: Just Bob on February 19, 2009, 02:33:05 pmIt's the shoddy interior on the 265 that let's it down for me, hell even the challenger was better designed inside. I agree it interior is not exciting as the interior of my 2002 WRX was plain and the 2006 was not much better either with slight improvements in trim. I just don’t have the interior with a heavy weighting on my score card so I don’t let that deminish the strenghts.It's not even just the interior / exterior styling, but the overall enjoyment. The previous generation Imprezas (even the normally aspirated ones) were more alive and enjoyable to drive. You're right, Snowman, the numbers don't lie, but they can only be achieved when the car is brutalized. If you look at rolling start times or 30-50 or 50- 70 mph acceleration (not to mention handling, braking, etc.) a number of other cars can quite easily keep pace (even Honda Accord V6 6 spd)
Quote from: Just Bob on February 19, 2009, 02:33:05 pmIt's the shoddy interior on the 265 that let's it down for me, hell even the challenger was better designed inside. I agree it interior is not exciting as the interior of my 2002 WRX was plain and the 2006 was not much better either with slight improvements in trim. I just don’t have the interior with a heavy weighting on my score card so I don’t let that deminish the strenghts.
The difference between how Mitsubishi have designed the Evo (+ lesser models) interior's vs the WRX's is like night and day.
Quote from: Snowman on February 19, 2009, 09:52:18 pmI agree, the launches are not that hard but some people just can’t get it. Rev it to 3000…hold it…lift clutch pedal like you just stepped in a pile of dog poo concurrent with WOT…and 0-60 in 4.5 OMFG!!! That's EXACTLY how I was going to explain it. I didn't because everyone would think I was nuts...LOL.....Oh man...too funny!
What I have done is rev to about 3300, take my foot slightly off the gas, drop the clutch, get the car moving and then hammer the gas.
Umm are you a broken record Lisa???
Just a stupid getting her post count past ten so she can make a link to her site.
Quote from: Just Bob on February 19, 2009, 08:49:09 pmThe difference between how Mitsubishi have designed the Evo (+ lesser models) interior's vs the WRX's is like night and day.Now I know your FOS. The interior in the impreza isn't that bad and I'm not sure why your such a hatter. The Evo's interior is extremely tacky. but I guess since it looks so much like your outlander's interior you like it. All it needs is a hula girl.How is the impreza any worse then these two?
If this program becomes successful it is going to help out many people in keeping their privacy.Lisa11
Zombie, the Recaro seats in the Evo / Ralliart alone make the interior feel worlds better. Still, the rest of the Mitsu pkg doesn't live up to expectations either (by what I've read).
Of course I was talking about the seats as well you muppet. When you get in the mitsubishi the whole experience (position, seats, wheel, pedals, dials etc.) just feels right. The recaro's are a big part of that, they make you feel attached to the car! How can subaru make the current seats worse than the ones in my 10 year old car?
Quote from: Just Bob on February 20, 2009, 03:27:09 pmOf course I was talking about the seats as well you muppet. When you get in the mitsubishi the whole experience (position, seats, wheel, pedals, dials etc.) just feels right. The recaro's are a big part of that, they make you feel attached to the car! How can subaru make the current seats worse than the ones in my 10 year old car?Your outlander is years old
Quote from: airbalancer on February 20, 2009, 03:40:44 pmQuote from: Just Bob on February 20, 2009, 03:27:09 pmOf course I was talking about the seats as well you muppet. When you get in the mitsubishi the whole experience (position, seats, wheel, pedals, dials etc.) just feels right. The recaro's are a big part of that, they make you feel attached to the car! How can subaru make the current seats worse than the ones in my 10 year old car?Your outlander is years old you are stupid
