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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2009, 03:19:17 pm »
The majority of the vehicles on the road are still cars... and I find myself looking over these cars quite often to see what kind of traffic is ahead...

But the main advantage is the seating position... It's rare that I can sit in a sedan and be as comfortable as I am in my Sportage. You're suppose to keep an angle of higher than 90º between your legs and body... I just can't do this in sedans, and it can get tiresome after long stretches, even when I slide the seat all the way to the back.

I honestly don't remember sitting in a sedan where I found the combination of seat height and head room comparable to what a SUV, crossover or minivan offers.

Once everyone is standing it is back to square one.

Not if you're taller than everyone else!  ;D

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2009, 04:09:12 pm »
Chris do you know the fuel numbers off the top of your head for a regular gasoline X5? Do you think the 4 grand difference between them is worth it considering initial cost and how long it would take to actually build up the fuel savings?

BB, the gas six-cyl X5 is rated 13.6/9.3; the diesel's numbers are 10.7/7.5.

I think if you drive an awful lot, and/or spend a lot of time in city traffic, then the diesel might be worth the extra coin if you're looking to actually save money in the long run. Of course, I say that with the caveat that I haven't looked at the price of diesel lately to see how it compares to premium.

For mostly highway driving, particularly at the 130-140 km/h pace of a road like the 401, my gut says the diesel wouldn't save you enough gas to be worth the extra cost.

I'll be better placed to answer this after I get a chance (that is, if I do) to drive one of these for a full week and see how it performs in my usual routine. Thing is, the engine's big torque makes it hard to resist deep throttle stabs at every opportunity, and that can easily negate the diesel's efficiency...  ;)
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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2009, 04:36:02 pm »

For mostly highway driving, particularly at the 130-140 km/h pace of a road like the 401, my gut says the diesel wouldn't save you enough gas to be worth the extra cost.


Huh.  I think with the high torque and low RPMs this is exactly where the diesel would shine.
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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2009, 05:01:36 pm »
The X5d is closer in performance to the X5 4.8 rather than the 3.0.  So its overall value is not strictly in fuel savings.

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2009, 05:03:52 pm »
BB, the gas six-cyl X5 is rated 13.6/9.3; the diesel's numbers are 10.7/7.5.

That's not all that great for a diesel.  Our E300t sedan was in the low 8's in the city and low 6's on the highway and I took liberal advantage of the roll-on torque.  No "hypermiling" techniques driving that car!

Our car was as quick as the gas E320, got significantly better fuel economy (most E320 sedan owners I knew could barely break 12L/100km city and 9L/100km highway) and COST LESS.  You read right.  Back in 1998 the E300 turbo was $59,900 and the E320 was $66,900.

As for size, we found the E-Class (and our 5-series) to be HUGE cars.  Since selling them, we've stayed with smaller compact sedans and wagons (the C-Class, Forester and Corolla are about the same dimensions) and have never really wanted for more space.

On the occasions when we'd take the MB's to the dealer (warranty service) we'd have an ML loaner 99% of the time, and I hated it.  Outward visibility was great for looking over the Miata in front of you, but for tight maneuvering in our neighbourhood, the thing was awful.  A whole kid and her bike could hide easily in the blind spots.  Also, the height of the backseat was a major pain in the arse when we had a little one in the car seat, as you had to heave it up into the seat, instead of loading it down into it.  It weighed as much as an S-Class and had 2/3 of the interior space.

I would have kept the E300 for a million kms if it hadn't turned out to be such an unreliable POS.  We ended up driving that stupid ML loaner more than our own sedan.  Mercedes spent so much money on warranty work on that car I was truly frightened to drive it out of warranty.

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2009, 06:00:36 pm »
BB, the gas six-cyl X5 is rated 13.6/9.3; the diesel's numbers are 10.7/7.5.

That's not all that great for a diesel.
 Our E300t sedan was in the low 8's in the city and low 6's on the highway and I took liberal advantage of the roll-on torque.  No "hypermiling" techniques driving that car!

But this is a big SUV so technically that is great mileage. Kind of like saying the Forester gets good mileage even though it only has a 4 cyl  ;)

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2009, 06:30:23 pm »

For mostly highway driving, particularly at the 130-140 km/h pace of a road like the 401, my gut says the diesel wouldn't save you enough gas to be worth the extra cost.


Huh.  I think with the high torque and low RPMs this is exactly where the diesel would shine.

Well, yeah, that's what I would think too, but looking at the official numbers, it appears that you'd get more fuel savings in city driving than on the highway. But, like I said before, I haven't driven one of these in my normal routine, so I could be way off.

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2009, 06:47:02 pm »
BB, the gas six-cyl X5 is rated 13.6/9.3; the diesel's numbers are 10.7/7.5.

That's not all that great for a diesel.  Our E300t sedan was in the low 8's in the city and low 6's on the highway and I took liberal advantage of the roll-on torque.  No "hypermiling" techniques driving that car!

What kind of statement is that?! The 1998 E-Class weighed around 1,651kg while this X5 weighs a massive 2,370kg. That's a difference of 1600 pounds!!!!!!

For such a heavy and big vehicle as the X5, if it achieves anything close to the advertised 10.7/7.5, it's pretty incredible IMO. Most vehicles on the road right now do not achieve these numbers!

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2009, 09:07:19 am »
One question...  what in the world is BMW thinking with these naming schemes?

xDrive35d?  What a mess.  What would be wrong with X5d?

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2009, 09:39:42 am »
What kind of statement is that?! The 1998 E-Class weighed around 1,651kg while this X5 weighs a massive 2,370kg. That's a difference of 1600 pounds!!!!!!

Holy crap is that thing ever stupid and fat.  It's barely bigger inside than my old E-Class and weighs 1600lbs more?  Now, THAT'S idiotic.

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2009, 10:40:00 am »
What kind of statement is that?! The 1998 E-Class weighed around 1,651kg while this X5 weighs a massive 2,370kg. That's a difference of 1600 pounds!!!!!!

Holy crap is that thing ever stupid and fat.  It's barely bigger inside than my old E-Class and weighs 1600lbs more?  Now, THAT'S idiotic.

Sure... and this is what makes this engine as impressive as it is. It has to haul almost exactly TWICE the weight a Suzuki SX4 with just about the same fuel economy... If that's not impressive, I'm not sure what is!

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2009, 10:47:59 am »
Sure... and this is what makes this engine as impressive as it is. It has to haul almost exactly TWICE the weight a Suzuki SX4 with just about the same fuel economy... If that's not impressive, I'm not sure what is!

So maybe the engine is okay, but BMW are idiots for making such an overweight piece of crap.  What a waste of diesel engine production.  The whole segment is stupid.

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2009, 11:06:20 am »
The whole segment is stupid.

I remember an article a long time ago comparing the X5 and 5-wagon. They said the wagon was better at everything except ground clearance (and probably towing but how many really do that).

Imagine putting this engine in the 5-Wagon?  :lick:

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2009, 12:05:10 pm »
Sure... and this is what makes this engine as impressive as it is. It has to haul almost exactly TWICE the weight a Suzuki SX4 with just about the same fuel economy... If that's not impressive, I'm not sure what is!

So maybe the engine is okay, but BMW are idiots for making such an overweight piece of crap.  What a waste of diesel engine production.  The whole segment is stupid.

The German automakers in general have never been too strong in building lightweight vehicles... But yeah, maybe the X5 is a tad overweight...

But regardless of its weight, the X5's fuel economy is certainly impressive by any measures... Look at competing vehicles of similar power and size...

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2009, 12:11:04 pm »
A tad overweight? It is 5225 lbs. ::) No wonder my V70R can out accelerate a X5 4.8. I didn't realize what heavy pigs these things are. People rail against the Yukons of the world but at least those vehicles have carrying capacity to match their weight.

It is also amazing BMW can make these things "handle" like they do, a technical marvel. But what exactly is the point again? To get a couple of inches of ground clearance?

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2009, 12:17:30 pm »
Imagine putting this engine in the 5-Wagon?  :lick:

Which they have, of course.

The 535d Touring gets 9.2/5.6 l/100km city/highway, 6.5 secs to 100 km/h and has top speed of 250 km/h, all this at 3000 euros less than the xDrive35d. The same euro figures for the x5 are 10.3/7.0, 7.0, 235 km/h. I am starting to respect these diesels.
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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2009, 12:24:29 pm »
A tad overweight? It is 5225 lbs. ::) No wonder my V70R can out accelerate a X5 4.8. I didn't realize what heavy pigs these things are. People rail against the Yukons of the world but at least those vehicles have carrying capacity to match their weight.

Well for a fair comparisons, the Mercedes ML320 CDI weighs 4,817 lbs, compared to 5,214 lbs for the X5 diesel... So yeah, it is overweight by 2-300 lbs maybe.

A GMC Yukon XL Denali 4WD is 5,838 lbs and the Cadillac Escalade 4WD is 5,691 lbs. The Cadillac Escalade Hybrid 4WD weighs in at 6,161 lbs.

Sure, the X5 is a little bit overweight compared to the ML320 CDI, but even the car-based (it's car-based, right?) Traverse is 4,720 lbs!

So does the X5 weight a lot more than a V70R or a 5-Series Touring? Sure it does... but compared to similar vehicles, the X5's weight isn't that outrageous. And whether you like the segment or not is irrelevant. A lot of people do, and that's all that counts.

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2009, 01:21:36 pm »
Well, John and others may not like these types of vehicles, BUT BMW does sell a lot of them and the X3; and the vehicle that has kept Porsche profitable these last few years is the Cayenne. Now Ferrari is talking of producing a type of Crossover/SUV thing (saw a pix on another site recently).

Like them or not, see the utility of them or not; they seem to be here to stay (at least until gas/diesel goes back to over $1.50/L).

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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2009, 01:32:13 pm »
A tad overweight? It is 5225 lbs. ::) No wonder my V70R can out accelerate a X5 4.8. I didn't realize what heavy pigs these things are. People rail against the Yukons of the world but at least those vehicles have carrying capacity to match their weight.

So does the X5 weight a lot more than a V70R or a 5-Series Touring? Sure it does... but compared to similar vehicles, the X5's weight isn't that outrageous. And whether you like the segment or not is irrelevant. A lot of people do, and that's all that counts.

You are absolutely right about whether I like the segment or not being irrelevent. I just can't understand the people who buy these things. The fuel, the reduced performance, the compromised space, the expensive tires (ever see the rubber on an X5?), the lack of a spare tire, expensive components (brakes etc). Everything has to be supersized to bring some level of decent performance. The weight comparisions  sounds like a bunch of obese people sitting around convincing themselves that they are a "healthy" weight... ;D  News: YOU ARE ALL FAT!.



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Re: CD Article: 2009 BMW X5 xDrive35d
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2009, 02:45:23 pm »
^^^ You must be new around here  ;D 

Didn't you know it was because ALL cars get stuck in the snow so you need an AWD SUV to get to where you are going.  :P