Author Topic: Ford reveals Proper Flagship Taurus (Read 31437 times)

rrocket · « **Reply #60 on:** January 13, 2009, 08:58:47 pm »

^^Sure are plenty of metric bolts on "american" cars though, eh Steve?

ArticSteve · « **Reply #61 on:** January 13, 2009, 09:06:54 pm »

Yes Rockett. There are many metric bolts on "american" cars ..... like all of them.

OK, now that over with howabout that link

rrocket · « **Reply #62 on:** January 13, 2009, 09:06:58 pm »

Quote from: articsteve on January 13, 2009, 08:51:47 pm

FWIW, the Mazda 6 and new Fusion use the CD3-2 platform......

Mazda 6 yes, but Fusion? Please post a link.

Sorry Steve...I have no link. This was right from a Ford engineers mouth, so I have no reason to dispute it. He also said it would be used for a Lincoln...though I don't recall what one. As I said...we did all of the optics for this vehicle and we speak to these people often. Here's a crappy pic of the entire headlight assembly sitting right beside me...

(pic is of Taurus housing)

Sir Osis of Liver · « **Reply #63 on:** January 13, 2009, 09:07:24 pm »

You're so full of

Steve it's coming out of your ears. I've had a number of Fusions and Camrys as rentals. The room inside is identical. And the Mazda6 and Fusion use the CD3-2 platform.

Camry Fusion
Leg Room Front    105.70 cm (41.22 in)    107.40 cm (41.89 in)
Leg Room Back    97.40 cm (37.99 in)    94.00 cm (36.66 in)
Shoulder Room Front    146.90 cm (57.29 in)    145.90 cm (56.90 in)
Shoulder Room Back    144.10 cm (56.20 in)    143.40 cm (55.93 in)
Head Room Front    98.60 cm (38.45 in)    98.30 cm (38.34 in)
Head Room Back    95.90 cm (37.40 in)    96.10 cm (37.48 in)

Sir Osis of Liver · « **Reply #64 on:** January 13, 2009, 09:12:49 pm »

The CD3 platform is expected to be redesigned for the 2008 Mazda 6 replacement.

Future CD3 2 models:

* 2008 Mazda 6
* 2010 Ford Fusion
* 2010 Mercury Milan
* 2010 Lincoln MKZ
* 2011 Ford Edge
* 2011 Lincoln MKX

The CD3 2 platform is expected to be phased out early next decade and give way to either the Ford EUCD platform currently used under the Ford Mondeo in Europe or more likely by the EUCD2 as Ford aligns its global product architecture. The next generation of Fusion, Edge, MKX and MKZ debuting in 2012-2013 are expected to be built on this platform.

http://www.answers.com/topic/ford-cd3-platform

rrocket · « **Reply #65 on:** January 13, 2009, 09:14:23 pm »

^^^^Oh ok...there ya go. Like I said...I heard it right from the engineer's mouth. At the time, he only mentioned 3 vehicles sharing the platform...Mazda6, Fusion, un-named Lincoln....

ArticSteve · « **Reply #66 on:** January 13, 2009, 09:18:00 pm »

Sorry Steve...I have no link. This was right from a Ford engineers mouth, so I have no reason to dispute it. As I said...we did all of the optics for this vehicle and we speak to these people often. Here's a crappy pic of the entire headlight assembly sitting right beside me...

I don't really care what the platform is, but I was pointing out that the Fusion and the 2008 and down Mazda 6 where the same platform and that Mazda was a small car inside.

Leviathan · « **Reply #67 on:** January 13, 2009, 09:18:29 pm »

Quote from: articsteve on January 13, 2009, 08:57:24 pm

Quote from: airbalancer on January 13, 2009, 08:21:30 pm
"Since the Fusion is an American car can we please dispense with metric measurements. "
What does that have to with what units are used
Are not engine size given in metric

RR do you make your product at work in metric or imperial ?

What does that have to with what units are used
Are not engine size given in metric

It's an American car and Americans measure objects in inches and feet. It's ridiculous to refer to a car being 2mm larger as if that actually relates to anything useful.

Hmmph. Just when it seems you are a complete ass you manage to reach down deep and come up with more

ArticSteve · « **Reply #68 on:** January 13, 2009, 09:31:44 pm »

Quote from: Big_Thumb on January 13, 2009, 09:12:49 pm

The CD3 platform is expected to be redesigned for the 2008 Mazda 6 replacement.

Future CD3 2 models:

* 2008 Mazda 6
* 2010 Ford Fusion
* 2010 Mercury Milan
* 2010 Lincoln MKZ
* 2011 Ford Edge
* 2011 Lincoln MKX

The CD3 2 platform is expected to be phased out early next decade and give way to either the Ford EUCD platform currently used under the Ford Mondeo in Europe or more likely by the EUCD2 as Ford aligns its global product architecture. The next generation of Fusion, Edge, MKX and MKZ debuting in 2012-2013 are expected to be built on this platform.

http://www.answers.com/topic/ford-cd3-platform

Ya ya ya, I found this as well, but it doesn't actually state anything definitive.

The CD3 platform was redesigned for the 2009 Mazda 6 replacement.

The CD3 2 platform is expected to be phased out early next decade and give way to either the Ford EUCD platform currently used under the Ford Mondeo in Europe or more likely by the EUCD2 as Ford aligns its global product architecture. The next generation of Fusion, Edge, MKX and MKZ debuting in 2012-2013 are expected to be built on this platform.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_CD3_platform

The fact remains that the current Fusion is built on the old Mazda 6 platform and as such is a cramped vehicle to drive and it looks small because of it's hideous squat appearance. Now the new Mazda 6 is a real improvement in terms of size so that is going to be a plus for the Fusion, if infact it's to be built on that platform. However, without continuous 0% financing, it's all moot.

ArticSteve · « **Reply #69 on:** January 13, 2009, 09:34:11 pm »

Quote from: Leviathan on January 13, 2009, 09:18:29 pm

Quote from: articsteve on January 13, 2009, 08:57:24 pm
Quote from: airbalancer on January 13, 2009, 08:21:30 pm
"Since the Fusion is an American car can we please dispense with metric measurements. "
What does that have to with what units are used
Are not engine size given in metric

RR do you make your product at work in metric or imperial ?

What does that have to with what units are used
Are not engine size given in metric

It's an American car and Americans measure objects in inches and feet. It's ridiculous to refer to a car being 2mm larger as if that actually relates to anything useful.

Hmmph. Just when it seems you are a complete ass you manage to reach down deep and come up with more

Many thanks. Asinine remarks receive asinine replies.

Dante · « **Reply #70 on:** January 13, 2009, 10:30:03 pm »

Quote from: rrocket on January 13, 2009, 09:06:58 pm

Quote from: articsteve on January 13, 2009, 08:51:47 pm

FWIW, the Mazda 6 and new Fusion use the CD3-2 platform......

Mazda 6 yes, but Fusion? Please post a link.

Sorry Steve...I have no link. This was right from a Ford engineers mouth, so I have no reason to dispute it. He also said it would be used for a Lincoln...though I don't recall what one. As I said...we did all of the optics for this vehicle and we speak to these people often. Here's a crappy pic of the entire headlight assembly sitting right beside me... (pic is of Taurus housing)

RRocket, do you guys manufacture the lights (the finished product) or you just do the drawings for the actual manufacturer?

ArticSteve · « **Reply #71 on:** January 13, 2009, 10:31:14 pm »

Getting back to the title of this thread Ford reveals Proper Flagship Taurus

Ford is trying to market an upscale sedan while using an old nameplate that was far from upscale. It's too confusing. Ppl are going to check out a car that will be way to expensive for what they are seeking. The stripper Taurus is going to be the same price as a loaded Camry with leather, sunroof, with a fuel efficient 179 hp/6 speed auto in a country that will be living thru a severe reccession for at least the next 3 years. The Taurus is doomed.

What Ford needs to do is build a car that fits exactly between the Camry and the Accord while offering more for less. The Fusion is out of that league. It had it's chance and it failed.

rrocket · « **Reply #72 on:** January 13, 2009, 10:33:46 pm »

Quote from: carcrazy on January 13, 2009, 10:30:03 pm

RRocket, do you guys manufacture the lights (the finished product) or you just do the drawings for the actual manufacturer?

We do it all! Everything you see in a headlight/taillight (except the actual bulbs). Everything else though.

Dante · « **Reply #73 on:** January 14, 2009, 12:08:24 am »

Quote from: rrocket on January 13, 2009, 10:33:46 pm

Quote from: carcrazy on January 13, 2009, 10:30:03 pm

RRocket, do you guys manufacture the lights (the finished product) or you just do the drawings for the actual manufacturer?

We do it all! Everything you see in a headlight/taillight (except the actual bulbs). Everything else though.

You said your company will do the Fiesta lights too IIRC. Are you guys making the tail lights too? Are they for the hatchback or sedan only?

rrocket · « **Reply #74 on:** January 14, 2009, 12:15:46 am »

Quote from: carcrazy on January 14, 2009, 12:08:24 am

Quote from: rrocket on January 13, 2009, 10:33:46 pm
Quote from: carcrazy on January 13, 2009, 10:30:03 pm

RRocket, do you guys manufacture the lights (the finished product) or you just do the drawings for the actual manufacturer?

We do it all! Everything you see in a headlight/taillight (except the actual bulbs). Everything else though.

You said your company will do the Fiesta lights too IIRC. Are you guys making the tail lights too? Are they for the hatchback or sedan only?

Fiesta lights are done. Not sure which tails we did. Will have to look into it....

99 Silver · « **Reply #75 on:** January 14, 2009, 12:21:39 am »

Quote from: rrocket on January 13, 2009, 06:31:37 pm

Quote from: carcrazy on January 13, 2009, 06:29:05 pm
although I wish it was built by Canadian non-unionized workers.

We (my shop) did all the lenses, lighting and optics for it....does that count???

Just curious - do you work for Active-Burgess?

Dante · « **Reply #76 on:** January 14, 2009, 12:26:36 am »

I don't think Ford is trying to go upscale with the Taurus (like Hyundai with Genesis). It's just their interpretation of what a modern full size (not mid-size) sedan should be. Will they be successful or not, only time will tell.

The Taurus is V6 only so I don't think a comparison with the Camry I4 makes any sense; perhaps with the V6 Camry, but then again, the Taurus is a full-size and the Camry it's a mid-size.

The "stripper" Taurus will be around $26K USD IIRC, which is right between the stripper Camry V6 ($24,200 USD) and the stripper Avalon ($27,800 USD), but I bet it will be better equipped in the lowest trim than both.

Dante · « **Reply #77 on:** January 14, 2009, 12:29:02 am »

Quote from: rrocket on January 14, 2009, 12:15:46 am

Quote from: carcrazy on January 14, 2009, 12:08:24 am
Quote from: rrocket on January 13, 2009, 10:33:46 pm
Quote from: carcrazy on January 13, 2009, 10:30:03 pm

RRocket, do you guys manufacture the lights (the finished product) or you just do the drawings for the actual manufacturer?

We do it all! Everything you see in a headlight/taillight (except the actual bulbs). Everything else though.

You said your company will do the Fiesta lights too IIRC. Are you guys making the tail lights too? Are they for the hatchback or sedan only?

Fiesta lights are done. Not sure which tails we did. Will have to look into it....

Great! This would be a confirmation that we are indeed getting the Fiesta hatch.

rrocket · « **Reply #78 on:** January 14, 2009, 01:21:28 am »

Quote from: 99 Silver on January 14, 2009, 12:21:39 am

Just curious - do you work for Active-Burgess?

No...but I worked for them for a year or so several years ago....

Did you work for them??

rrocket · « **Reply #79 on:** January 14, 2009, 01:40:30 am »

Quote from: carcrazy on January 14, 2009, 12:29:02 am

Great! This would be a confirmation that we are indeed getting the Fiesta hatch.

Just because we made them, it doesn't guarantee that this market will get it....though I can't imagine why we wouldn't. But you never know....