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2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« on: December 19, 2008, 11:42:01 am »
Full concept to be unveiled at the Detroit show. 



Link: http://www.motivemag.com/pub/news/2009_Detroit_Auto_Show_Subaru_Legacy_Concept_Teaser.shtml


Looking forward to it.  The new Legacy wagon will be on my list for next vehicle purchase.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2008, 07:59:16 pm by ggweci »

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2008, 11:51:25 am »
Looking forward to it.  The new Legacy wagon will be on my list for next vehicle purchase.

Legacy wagon = most overrated car ever (at least on these boards).  I hope this next generation improves (1) refinement, (2) interior space (a Focus has more useable interior space...seriously), and (3) body control.

Does the front end look like a new Malibu to anyone else?


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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2008, 12:09:47 pm »
Looking forward to it.  The new Legacy wagon will be on my list for next vehicle purchase.

Legacy wagon = most overrated car ever (at least on these boards).  I hope this next generation improves (1) refinement, (2) interior space (a Focus has more useable interior space...seriously), and (3) body control.

Pretty much completely disagree with you there Mitlov.
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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2008, 12:24:09 pm »
I agree with Mitlov on interior space. The current Legacy is not competitive in terms of interior space. A Civic has more room inside.

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2008, 09:49:41 am »
So bloat it up like the Accord, Camry and now Mazda6? I'm average height and can sit behind myself with no issues. Compared to pretty much any "family" car of the 1980's it's very roomy.

If Subie needs a larger car they should introduce a new model. Maybe re-body the Camry and slap an awd system under it for the broad of beam.

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2008, 12:31:30 pm »
The teaser looks very good.

I do hope they don't make it too much bigger...although my family sat in one at one of the Toronto car shows and felt the rear was very cramped.  Some design work needed there...its not really about how big the car was because we felt the Civic, Golf, and Corolla had more "room" or were easier to get into the back.  That was the sedan version.

I hope they up the size marginally but design for maximum space possible. Car companies are getting really good at that these days.

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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2008, 01:12:38 pm »
So bloat it up like the Accord, Camry and now Mazda6? I'm average height and can sit behind myself with no issues. Compared to pretty much any "family" car of the 1980's it's very roomy.

If Subie needs a larger car they should introduce a new model. Maybe re-body the Camry and slap an awd system under it for the broad of beam.
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Why do you assume that anyone who complains about interior room is fat?   ::)  The problem was not the width of the car.  Heck, the problem wasn't the length of the car either.  It was inefficient packaging that reduced the effective legroom, front and rear.

First problem: in my Legacy, you couldn't put your feet under either of the front buckets.  This means that even though the distance from the front buckets to the rear bench was roughly the same as in a Jetta, the effective rear seat legroom was about eight inches less.  In the back seat of the Jetta, my thighs rest on the bench.  In the Legacy, my upper legs were lifted off the bench, knees raised toward my chest by a couple inches.

Second problem: the front passenger footwell rose to meet the underside of the glove compartment too early.  So while the seat itself was the same length to the glove compartment as in the Jetta (roughly), it felt much tighter.

Third problem: the seating was pretty low, overall.  Less like sitting in a chair than my Jetta.  This made you have to push your legs further forward (less of you're leg's length is used up vertically), exacerbating the above two problems.

If they raised the roof on the Legacy a couple inches, raised the seating (front and rear) a couple inches, made sure rear passengers could put their feet under the front buckets, and redesigned the front passenger footwell, I think the car would be just fine, size-wise.  It'd still be smaller than it's midsize comptetitors, and still uncomfortably close in size to the new Impreza, but those changes would answer my complaints about interior space.

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2008, 03:39:58 pm »
So bloat it up like the Accord, Camry and now Mazda6? I'm average height and can sit behind myself with no issues. Compared to pretty much any "family" car of the 1980's it's very roomy.

If Subie needs a larger car they should introduce a new model. Maybe re-body the Camry and slap an awd system under it for the broad of beam.


Why do you assume that anyone who complains about interior room is fat?   ::)  The problem was not the width of the car.  Heck, the problem wasn't the length of the car either.  It was inefficient packaging that reduced the effective legroom, front and rear.

First problem: in my Legacy, you couldn't put your feet under either of the front buckets.  This means that even though the distance from the front buckets to the rear bench was roughly the same as in a Jetta, the effective rear seat legroom was about eight inches less.  In the back seat of the Jetta, my thighs rest on the bench.  In the Legacy, my upper legs were lifted off the bench, knees raised toward my chest by a couple inches.

Second problem: the front passenger footwell rose to meet the underside of the glove compartment too early.  So while the seat itself was the same length to the glove compartment as in the Jetta (roughly), it felt much tighter.

Third problem: the seating was pretty low, overall.  Less like sitting in a chair than my Jetta.  This made you have to push your legs further forward (less of you're leg's length is used up vertically), exacerbating the above two problems.

If they raised the roof on the Legacy a couple inches, raised the seating (front and rear) a couple inches, made sure rear passengers could put their feet under the front buckets, and redesigned the front passenger footwell, I think the car would be just fine, size-wise.  It'd still be smaller than it's midsize comptetitors, and still uncomfortably close in size to the new Impreza, but those changes would answer my complaints about interior space.


I'm fine with it the way it is. If I wanted a Jetta, I would have bought one. Others are free to do the same. Why make all cars identical to the mainstream "wants"? Subaru is a niche player, they'll stay that way if they're smart.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2008, 05:50:41 pm by Big_Thumb »

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2008, 03:58:32 pm »
I'm fine with it the way it is. If I wanted a Jetta, I would have bought one. Others are free to do the same. Why make all cars identical to the mainstream "wants"? Subaru is a nich player, they'll stay that was if they're smart.

Way to overreact.  I'm not asking Subaru to adopt a transverse crank, an inline engine, and FWD.  But if there's an objective or subjective advantage to NOT having foot space under the front seats, I'd love to hear it.  If it's absolutely impossible to re-contour the front passenger footwell to add more useable foot space, I'd love to hear it.

I'm all for Subaru staying unique.  But the particular issues that made my Legacy feel cramped inside are not the things that make Subaru unique.  They're just poorly-thought-out inefficiencies.

Likewise, the notchy shifter, poor body control, and rough ride in my Legacy were not the unique things that make Subarus special.  The notchy shifter?  No excuse for that.  Crappy sound system?  Same thing.  Poor body control and rough ride?  Basically, they mismatched the large wheels and low-profile tires with a very soft suspension, giving you the worst of both worlds.  Fixing these issues would NOT make a Legacy just another Accord or Camry.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2008, 04:03:02 pm by Mitlov »

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2008, 05:38:34 pm »
The things you're complaining about are not a problem to me.

The shifter isn't notchy in the least. It's much better that any of my Toyota's for example.

I had never noticed the passenger side footwell intrusion. As I said I've been in the back seat of the car and had no issues with room or seating comfort.

The ride and handling are different than the Legacy; it is relatively compliant, but it suits the car. It doesn't roll any worse than the Jetta wagon I tried out.

You didn't like the Legacy you had, so you want it changed to suit you. The Outback suits me very well, so I see no need for whole cloth change.

To me, at least lately, new models often go with change for change's sake. It becomes a numbers race:"Their headroom is 39" so we'll make ours 40", their shoulder room is 53", we'll make ours 54"" It doesn't take long before people are wondering how come the  new Civic is larger than the old Accord, and why the fuel economy of the old Civics was so much better.

(Still not a fan of the engine noise, but it's nothing that detracts from the car, it is what it is.)

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2008, 12:38:01 am »
Does the front end look like a new Malibu to anyone else?
Interesting.  From Camry to 3-Series, seems like everyone is doing the Audi style nose/vertical-grill-area thing.

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2008, 05:50:27 am »
Yesterday, in a rare fit of security, the other half asked me to take in the Legacy to get the snow tires put on for a scheduled appointment. Having worked the previous day and stayed at work overnight during the storm doing duties for others that didn't make it to work, took it's toll.

Being tired, worn out and really not having any ambition tiggered the request. Thus for the first time in over a year I got to drive it. Yup it's not my Acadia (which performed very well Friday going to and from work on mostly unplowed roads) and it is a little on the noisy side from the engine compartment, but golly it sure performed well with and without the snow tires.

There is a secure feeling about the way the car handles and while it may not have the suspension that pleases everyone, it pleased me. Solid and predictable and those seat warmers were sure nice too. There isn't a ton of room in it - not like the Acadia, but it is fine for what it is and that's why I like it.

Nothing has changed about the car that would want us to not get another Subie (our fourth) when it comes time to replace this one. In fact there may be two new Subies here since I really do not need all of the space that the Acadia offers.  ;)

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2009, 12:02:04 pm »
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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2009, 12:18:34 pm »
I see a bit of 2004 Sonata in the front. Not bad at all though IMO. I'd like to see the wagon.

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2009, 12:31:42 pm »
From the Autoblog article:

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On an all-new platform, the new Legacy sedan offers roominess comparable to mainstream
midsize sedans in the North American market that are built around comfort and space.
• The new Legacy sedan is 35 mm longer, 90 mm wider and 80 mm higher than the
previous model. While its overhang dimensions are shortened by 45 mm, its wheelbase is
expanded by 80 mm, allowing for additional rear legroom

So they did make it bigger. Hopefully in an efficient way. I'm a Suby fan. I had an impreza and it was very cramped. My father has an 08 Legacy. Not bad in the front but I'm only 5 foot 8 but the back is way cramped for a mid sized car. My 99 Maxima feels downright cavernous in the rear in comparison.

Glad they have also adressed the aging 4 speed auto to go to a 5 speed.

Unfortunatley it probaly won't be on my radar as the Subaru and Legacy in particualr tends to be the poster child for Subrau Canada vs US pricing gap. The legacy is is just plain expensive in its class (even with the awd ability).

I thought the old legacy looked fine looks wise

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2009, 02:27:25 pm »
I'm glad I got mine when I did. :thumbdown:

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2009, 02:44:23 pm »
2010 Subaru preview on Edmunds:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/newyork/2009/2010subarulegacy.html?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1.*

Tag line reads:  Subaru goes after Camry and Accord.

Great - what the automotive landscape REALLY needed was more camcords.  I know, I know, it will appeal to a broader cross-section of buyers, bla bla bla...

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2009, 02:52:04 pm »
2010 Subaru preview on Edmunds:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/newyork/2009/2010subarulegacy.html?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1.*

Tag line reads:  Subaru goes after Camry and Accord.

Great - what the automotive landscape REALLY needed was more camcords.  I know, I know, it will appeal to a broader cross-section of buyers, bla bla bla...

Jaeger

For our family of 5, the current Legacy is too small. I am glad they addressed the size issue. It doesn't look that much bloated, compared to the Camry and Accord, IMO. I like it.

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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy teaser
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2009, 03:02:51 pm »
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First off, the 2010 Subaru Legacy that will be unveiled to the public at the 2009 New York Auto Show will not be available as a station wagon any more.
BOO

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Add to the list of quite un-Subaru-like aspects of the 2010 model some side windows that actually have frames
YAY!