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Mazda 6
« on: December 10, 2008, 08:42:24 pm »
Anyone know if there is gonna be a mazdaspeed version?  I've trawled the interweb and not found much...


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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 11:33:02 pm »
Thats the JDM/Euro model of the Mazda6 which is smaller and somewhat different than the US model.

At the moment the new US model V6 is about as Mazdaspeedish as you can get.  No idea if Mazda USA (and Canada by extension) plans to introduce a performance model.  I wonder if they will wait a while.

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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 12:22:08 pm »
Yeah all still up in the air about the euro version, nothing confirmed for the US then.

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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 05:38:49 pm »
Last I read there were no plans for MS6 here.
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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2008, 01:45:52 am »
My understanding is that the Mazdaspeed3 has been a much bigger success over here than the MS6.  I personally have seen a decent number of MS3s out there, but have never once seen an MS6 on the roads.  The MS3 also earned more critical acclaim from automotive magazines.  It's basically swept every single C&D hot hatch shootout, and it beat the WRX and the Ralliart in an Edmunds test, for example. 

Now that the North American Mazda6 is not the same car that underpins the second-generation Mazda6 MPS, I can't imagine that they'd sell a Mazdaspeed6 here (either the European car, or a faster version of the US model).

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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2008, 11:02:38 am »
The reason you haven't seen a Speed 6 on the road is likely that they are really really really hard to spot.  Differences between it and the regular 6 are visible enough when you see the two side by side, but on it's own, it just looks like a 6.  But it is true that they didn't sell nearly as well as the 3.

The Speed 6 was just a terrific driver's car.  I am not hopeful for such a model in the current generation, though.  Bigger, softer, more luxurious seems to be the beat that Mazda is marching to - along with Honda.  Mazdaspeed freaks will likely have to stick with the 3.

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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2008, 12:15:47 pm »
Mazdaspeed freaks will likely have to stick with the 3.
Fortunately it looks like the next gen Mazda 3 will have a Mazdaspeed version much sooner than before.  Its already been spotted in spy photos.  Its just big enough that it might pass for some people looking for that kind of size/performance mix.

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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2008, 12:53:31 pm »
The reason you haven't seen a Speed 6 on the road is likely that they are really really really hard to spot.  Differences between it and the regular 6 are visible enough when you see the two side by side, but on it's own, it just looks like a 6.  But it is true that they didn't sell nearly as well as the 3.

The Speed 6 was just a terrific driver's car.  I am not hopeful for such a model in the current generation, though.  Bigger, softer, more luxurious seems to be the beat that Mazda is marching to - along with Honda.  Mazdaspeed freaks will likely have to stick with the 3.

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The Speed6 has a very distinctive hood.  If one had ever been sold in Southern Oregon, I would have seen it by now. 

I'm not saying the Speed6 was a bad car, but from reviews I've read, it wasn't as good relatively to its competition as the Speed3 was relative to its.  That doesn't mean it's not a great car, but it doesn't dominate the segment at its price point.  For example, while the Speed3 has dominated every C&D sport compact test it's entered, the Speed6 came in fourth out of five in C&D's "everyday heros" ($30k sport sedans) test:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/sedans/2006_acura_tsx_vs_honda_accord_mazdaspeed_6_pontiac_g6_vw_jetta_comparison_test

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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2008, 01:53:36 pm »
The reason you haven't seen a Speed 6 on the road is likely that they are really really really hard to spot.  Differences between it and the regular 6 are visible enough when you see the two side by side, but on it's own, it just looks like a 6.  But it is true that they didn't sell nearly as well as the 3.

The Speed 6 was just a terrific driver's car.  I am not hopeful for such a model in the current generation, though.  Bigger, softer, more luxurious seems to be the beat that Mazda is marching to - along with Honda.  Mazdaspeed freaks will likely have to stick with the 3.

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The Speed6 has a very distinctive hood.  If one had ever been sold in Southern Oregon, I would have seen it by now. 

I'm not saying the Speed6 was a bad car, but from reviews I've read, it wasn't as good relatively to its competition as the Speed3 was relative to its.  That doesn't mean it's not a great car, but it doesn't dominate the segment at its price point.  For example, while the Speed3 has dominated every C&D sport compact test it's entered, the Speed6 came in fourth out of five in C&D's "everyday heros" ($30k sport sedans) test:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/sedans/2006_acura_tsx_vs_honda_accord_mazdaspeed_6_pontiac_g6_vw_jetta_comparison_test

If I were voting, the Speed 6 and TSX would have been 1 and 2, respectively.  Both cars recieved SERIOUS consideration when I was making a purchase decision for my '01 Maxima SE.

Yes, I know about the bulging hood - but it's not that pronounced from several paces.  There is a black(ish) Speed 6 in my neighborhood and a black GT as well - I have to do a double-take to make sure which is which notwithstanding the differences in exterior styling and colour shade.

I don't think Mazda marketed that model particularly well.  When I was shopping, the dealer was practically willing to give it away - including completely retro-fitting the two-tone "Panda" interior inside a vehicle whose exterior colour dictated all-black only.  And notwithstanding C&D's lack of affection, I seem to recall a review by Laurance Yap right here on this site comparing it favourably to an Audi S4. 

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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2008, 09:19:35 pm »
It's a shame really as I really liked the old mazdaspeed 6.

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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2008, 12:31:06 pm »
I hadn't read that old Car and Driver article with the MS6 for a few years.  Interesting that the only negatives that seemingly knocked it out of the top spots were related to noise, harshness and lack of creature comforts (such as sunroof, leather and power seats).  Seems to me, many of us looking for a good, solid, fun, yet reliable and reasonably practical car would eat that up. 

Maybe just bad timing for the Mazdaspeed6 before?  I've got to wonder how many first generation Mazdaspeed3 owners would be looking to replace their MS3s within the next year or so with the next move-up the Mazda corporate ladder.  For those folks, a MS6 now would likely fit the bill.  Further, the Mazdaspeed name is starting to build more cache, thanks in no small part to the Mazdaspeed3's successes.   

I know for me, looking toward a more family-oriented car for the MX5 replacement, an updated version of the Mazdaspeed6 would have been very high on my wishlist indeed.  Good, powerful turbo engine, stickshift and AWD with a usably-sized interior and cargo space?  Yes please!
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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2008, 12:37:04 pm »
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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2008, 04:00:27 pm »
Good, powerful turbo engine, stickshift and AWD with a usably-sized interior and cargo space?  Yes please!

What would be even better would be the above in a wagon version!

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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2008, 08:49:55 pm »
Good, powerful turbo engine, stickshift and AWD with a usably-sized interior and cargo space?  Yes please!

What would be even better would be the above in a wagon version!

Or Hatch.
They should have stuck with the original MSP6 design as a hatch.
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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2008, 09:03:15 pm »
For some reason the MS6 sold pretty well here. There are likely a few dozen around. I saw one today when out for a brief errand.

I seem to remember reviewers complain about pervasive understeer but I could be mistaken.
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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2008, 09:09:10 pm »
I also remember a few moans about the hard suspension...

I think it's a pretty neat Mazda though....

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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2008, 08:19:04 am »
There were a number of things that killed the Speed 6

No Automatic-The non harcore people didn't want a 4 door with a stick. As much as we on this site love manuals its been proven time and time again that manual tranny 4 doors are very low volume (Note all the competative 4 doors that are auto/cvt only)
Clutch issues_ not that it wasn't up to the task but the clutch was very touchy. It was very hard to drive smoothly and every review picked upon it. If you are forcing people to go manual it had better be a good one
Heat soak/octane issues- Boost was retarded and max power not made unless you could find and run 94 octane. Widley reported in reviews.

My own opinion is that it also just wasn't enough of an improvement over the speed 3. Sure it was bigger and had AWD but the best PerforMING mazda was the speed 3. it was quicker, faster handeled better was considerably cheaper and the 6 wasn't ahuge leap in interior quality or space forward.

They got killed by not getting it "right" at the start.

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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2008, 08:44:28 am »
Good, powerful turbo engine, stickshift and AWD with a usably-sized interior and cargo space?  Yes please!

What would be even better would be the above in a wagon version!

I'd vote for a Mazdaspeed5 - likely easier to do with underlying mechanichals being similar to the MS3.
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Re: Mazda 6
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2008, 09:48:45 am »
Heat soak/octane issues- Boost was retarded and max power not made unless you could find and run 94 octane. Widley reported in reviews.
 

So what did Mazda do to rectify this for the MazdaSpeed3?  Aside from the number of drivewheels, I thought they were the same powertrain, no?

And FWIW, I didn't find the clutch all that difficult to modulate in my admitedly short drive.