Topic: 2010 Mustang

[rrocket]

^^^^Actually, the Supra makes more power (320).  

And I think I can call a modern car with all the advantages of modern technology and manufacturing a "porker" if I want. (FWIW, I was mostly referring to the other retro cars as I said the Mustang has always enjoyed a weight advantage).  But newer cars just keep getting heavier, and heavier........(or do I have the moral authority to say that??) 

I mean...if I can be as anal as you...I also own an Echo which weighs 2030 lbs.  So is it OK for me to criticize the weight of the Mustang now??  Does this put me back on "moral high ground"?  

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Yet another thread trashed by off-topic posts by the Toyota fan boys, bravo.

The Supra cost $US40000 new in 1998 (about $50k in 2008 dollars). The Mustang starts at $33500 now. They weigh the same inspite of all of the extra safety equipment the Mustang has to carry, 0-60 is about identical (5.1 sec) as is the quarter mile (13.6). The Supra does handle better due to its more sophisticated suspension. The Mustang can be made to handle for less than $2k. Still a bargain.

The Toyobaru is vaporware. Back in the day, nobody was cross shopping the Corolla GTS with pony cars. They won't this time around either, if it ever makes it to market.

[dougjp]

Yet another thread trashed by off-topic posts by the Toyota fan boys, bravo.

The Supra cost $US40000 new in 1998 (about $50k in 2008 dollars). The Mustang starts at $33500 now. They weigh the same inspite of all of the extra safety equipment the Mustang has to carry, 0-60 is about identical (5.1 sec) as is the quarter mile (13.6). The Supra does handle better due to its more sophisticated suspension. The Mustang can be made to handle for less than $2k. Still a bargain.

The Toyobaru is vaporware. Back in the day, nobody was cross shopping the Corolla GTS with pony cars. They won't this time around either, if it ever makes it to market.

  Hey! Shouldn't we add the Hyundai Genesis Coupe into this discussion too? Oh, and while we are at it, add that to the 2010 Camaro thread too which has become more or less a clone of this thread! 

[ovr50]

Those stats above just go to prove what a porker the new Challenger really is. 

197.8" long..that's huge...my BMW is 190". And 4041#s, again totally heavy.

This car will sell to the die-hard Mopar afficianado and not many others. If I were a buyer of this type of car today, the new Mustang and maybe the Camaro would get my money. 

[Mitlov]

Those stats above just go to prove what a porker the new Challenger really is. 

197.8" long..that's huge...my BMW is 190". And 4041#s, again totally heavy.

This car will sell to the die-hard Mopar afficianado and not many others. If I were a buyer of this type of car today, the new Mustang and maybe the Camaro would get my money. 

While I'm certainly not saying it's better than the Mustang or the Camaro, I see two reasons to go with the Challenger:

(1)  Best looks of the bunch, by far (IMO, of course).  I just think they did a stunning job with the styling.
(2)  Only one with a useable back seat, from what I've read.

[Triple Bob]

Those stats above just go to prove what a porker the new Challenger really is. 

197.8" long..that's huge...my BMW is 190". And 4041#s, again totally heavy.

This car will sell to the die-hard Mopar afficianado and not many others. If I were a buyer of this type of car today, the new Mustang and maybe the Camaro would get my money. 

While I'm certainly not saying it's better than the Mustang or the Camaro, I see two reasons to go with the Challenger:

(1)  Best looks of the bunch, by far (IMO, of course).  I just think they did a stunning job with the styling.
(2)  Only one with a useable back seat, from what I've read.

Awful dealers though, I got a short response yesterday in one dealer.

Blah blah blah, collectors item, your'e talking $50K, lease rate of 13% whatever....

No interest in my business whatsoever, and the sales guy was a moron... Struck off the list. 

[ovr50]

Those stats above just go to prove what a porker the new Challenger really is. 

197.8" long..that's huge...my BMW is 190". And 4041#s, again totally heavy.

This car will sell to the die-hard Mopar afficianado and not many others. If I were a buyer of this type of car today, the new Mustang and maybe the Camaro would get my money. 

While I'm certainly not saying it's better than the Mustang or the Camaro, I see two reasons to go with the Challenger:

(1)  Best looks of the bunch, by far (IMO, of course).  I just think they did a stunning job with the styling.
(2)  Only one with a useable back seat, from what I've read.

As you say, styling is subjective but the Challenger is probably the closest to the original of the three.

With these types of cars, 98% of the buyers could care less if there is no rear seat room. This is not a car that generally appeals to family-oriented buyers or realtors for hauling a client around in.

That's why I said only die-hard Mopar fans will buy. It's huge and heavy.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Those stats above just go to prove what a porker the new Challenger really is. 

197.8" long..that's huge...my BMW is 190". And 4041#s, again totally heavy.

This car will sell to the die-hard Mopar afficianado and not many others. If I were a buyer of this type of car today, the new Mustang and maybe the Camaro would get my money. 

While I'm certainly not saying it's better than the Mustang or the Camaro, I see two reasons to go with the Challenger:

(1)  Best looks of the bunch, by far (IMO, of course).  I just think they did a stunning job with the styling.
(2)  Only one with a useable back seat, from what I've read.

Awful dealers though, I got a short response yesterday in one dealer.

Blah blah blah, collectors item, your'e talking $50K, lease rate of 13% whatever....

No interest in my business whatsoever, and the sales guy was a moron... Struck off the list. 

Too bad you weren't closer JB, one of the local Dodge dealers is pretty good (the other, not so much). Here the Chevy/Cadillac, Ford, Mazda, Toyota dealers are pretty poor, but the Pontiac/Buick/GMC, Ford/Lincoln, Subaru/Volvo and aforementioned Dodge dealers are ok to very good. 

[safristi]

BOB ya seriously intrested inna RETRO PONY..................err CAR................ ..........no wunner.......he dissed ya  ..... he saw yer Lotus blazer....................... ....

[rrocket]

Yet another thread trashed by off-topic posts by the Toyota fan boys, bravo.

You'll be OK.  Take a deep breath.   

And FWIW, I recall it was YOU who brought the Toyota Supra into this discussion, not Steve or I....... So I guess you only have yourself to thank for derailing this one!!  (But I enjoy discussing/debatting about Supras, so feel free to bring it up anytime!!)   

[Seafoam]

Steve where have you been with Gm producing a 4cyl sports car for several years now Ever hear of the Solstice or the Sky I believe they call it. You can even order a optional V6 in at least one of the 2 as well. 

Optional V6? I don't think so.Optional turbo 4 yes. good car but no trunk

[evil_twin]

Those stats above just go to prove what a porker the new Challenger really is. 

197.8" long..that's huge...my BMW is 190". And 4041#s, again totally heavy.

This car will sell to the die-hard Mopar afficianado and not many others. If I were a buyer of this type of car today, the new Mustang and maybe the Camaro would get my money. 

While I'm certainly not saying it's better than the Mustang or the Camaro, I see two reasons to go with the Challenger:

(1)  Best looks of the bunch, by far (IMO, of course).  I just think they did a stunning job with the styling.
(2)  Only one with a useable back seat, from what I've read.

I agree with Ovr50 that few in this market would care much about the backseat.  However, the mustang rearseats are certainly usable.  Would I want to sit back there for 3 hours?  No.  But I've had many friends ride in the back on the passenger side in relative "comfort" for a 3 hour blast into cottage country.

You're right, you wouldn't want to, say, pick up another couple and head for dinner.  But you could certainly stuff 2 medium sized kids in the back.  Which is likely the only use a potential buyer would expect. 

[Triple Bob]

How do you use a backseat when you can't physically get in it?

Only the seat backs move (very slowly) so actually putting kids in there would be a nightmare, you have to wait 5 minutes for the seat to move.

[evil_twin]

How do you use a backseat when you can't physically get in it?

Only the seat backs move (very slowly) so actually putting kids in there would be a nightmare, you have to wait 5 minutes for the seat to move.

I'm suggesting that you 'could' stuff the little ones in the back for a sunday drive, out to dinner, to grandma's, etc, etc.

Not that you'd do it everyday. 

The point being....who gives a sh!t about rearseats in a mustang? (other than members of CTC, of course )

[Triple Bob]

How do you use a backseat when you can't physically get in it?

Only the seat backs move (very slowly) so actually putting kids in there would be a nightmare, you have to wait 5 minutes for the seat to move.

I'm suggesting that you 'could' stuff the little ones in the back for a sunday drive, out to dinner, to grandma's, etc, etc.

Not that you'd do it everyday. 

The point being....who gives a sh!t about rearseats in a mustang? (other than members of CTC, of course )

No I agree totally, I wouldn't be buying it for it's practicality, I just couldn't figure out how to get them in at all, the gap between the seat and the b/c pillar seemed too small?

[DriverJeff]

How do you use a backseat when you can't physically get in it?

Only the seat backs move (very slowly) so actually putting kids in there would be a nightmare, you have to wait 5 minutes for the seat to move.

I'm suggesting that you 'could' stuff the little ones in the back for a sunday drive, out to dinner, to grandma's, etc, etc.

Not that you'd do it everyday. 

The point being....who gives a sh!t about rearseats in a mustang? (other than members of CTC, of course )

No I agree totally, I wouldn't be buying it for it's practicality, I just couldn't figure out how to get them in at all, the gap between the seat and the b/c pillar seemed too small?

Kids are squishy at that age, aren't they?  Crowbar and a little Vaseline and you're golden!

[Sir Osis of Liver]

I ended up with a "secretary special" Mustang as a rental in Tampa. Even took 3 clients to lunch with it. They didn't complain...too much!

[Mitlov]

Kids are squishy at that age, aren't they?  Crowbar and a little Vaseline and you're golden!

I really don't want to be the one to buy a crowbar and vaseline and tell the checker, "oh, it's for my kids"...

[Triple Bob]

Kids are squishy at that age, aren't they?  Crowbar and a little Vaseline and you're golden!

I really don't want to be the one to buy a crowbar and vaseline and tell the checker, "oh, it's for my kids"...

Thank you for shopping at Walmart.

[mikeeb777]

  nothin special